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Media say Pope may resign in April
Vatican Insider ^ | September 25, 2011 | ANDREA TORNIELLI

Posted on 09/27/2011 10:58:47 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer

They said the same thing about JPII. These are wishful thinking articles on the part of the anti-Catholic media.


21 posted on 09/27/2011 11:43:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: NYer

Sarah Palin will be the next pope.


22 posted on 09/27/2011 11:45:31 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Teotwawki
I can see from your FReeper name and your comments that you selectively read references supporting eschatological-type scenarios and ignore criticism of same.

I don't have time to look up the links now but the early papal prophecies in the series are thought to be authentic, written either by St. Malachy or sincerely on his behalf. But the later prophecies, written in a very different style, are forgeries added along the way, many about popes who were already deceased.

23 posted on 09/27/2011 11:47:18 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: el_texicano
How does the Pope who is renowned to be infallible, resign from being God on earth?

Popes are not personally infallible, only in exercise in of their office, and they certainly aren't G-d on earth. Are you a reporter from Toronto?

24 posted on 09/27/2011 11:47:59 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NYer
WHAT??????????????

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The pope a quitter????

Oh....say it ain't so!!!

That would make the pope like a certain governor who "resigned" (or quit as the haters like to say).

25 posted on 09/27/2011 11:49:20 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: SevenofNine
#15 of possible interest.
26 posted on 09/27/2011 11:56:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first law is not to dare to utter a lie; the second, not to fear to speak the truth. "-Leo XIII)
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To: NYer

Rumors of AntiChrist being next pope to start in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...


27 posted on 09/27/2011 11:57:26 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Teotwawki
The first problem is the gap between the ostensible writing and publication - not just publication, but nobody had ever heard of it or mentioned it before (even in a very thorough biography of St. Malachy). It was called a forgery as early as the 18th century.

Of course, if the 'prophecy' was actually composed in the 16th century, it makes sense that all the descriptions of the popes between the 1100s and 1590 would be accurate. And those descriptions are not only more accurate, they all focus on such verifiable matters as the pope's coat of arms, family, or birthplace.

The second problem is that the later "descriptions" (unlike the ones before 1590) are so short (just 2-3 words) and vague that you can read pretty much anything into them that you want. Most of them are a real, serious stretch, and a couple are so cryptic that interpreters don't even try and leave them blank.

The third problem is that even the manuscript doesn't claim to list ALL the popes - just a bunch of them, and then the last one, "Peter the Roman". Which corresponds nicely to the first pope . . . Peter.

As Cecil Adams commented about Nostradamus, I think this one does for B.S. what Stonehenge did for rocks.

28 posted on 09/27/2011 12:01:16 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Scythian

I was thinking of same thing too LOL!


29 posted on 09/27/2011 12:05:56 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: el_texicano

The Pope is not infallible. Only the Sacraments are. Per my Pastor and KOC Chaplain.


30 posted on 09/27/2011 12:14:49 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Sarah Palin will be the next pope.

Now you are just blowing smoke...

31 posted on 09/27/2011 1:07:43 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Verginius Rufus; pgkdan
I would think that any pope who resigned simply because of reaching a certain age would be setting a precedent which future popes would have a hard time ignoring.

Good point. However, in contemporary times, we find people live longer and the pope, thanks to modern transportation, has a much more strenuous workload than the majority of his predecessors who rarely traveled beyond Italy.

There is a recent precedent, though on a different level. The Patriarch of the Maronite Catholic Church, Nasrallah Cardinal Sfeir, submitted his resignation in January of this year at the age of 90. He and Pope Benedict were good friends and, like Ratzinger, Sfeir was in good health with all of his faculties. When Pope Benedict traveled to Australia, Sfeir accompanied him there to meet with his Maronite community. I was amazed to see Sfeir at age 87, bound down the ship's access way and greet the crowd waiting to welcome him.

In his letter of acceptance, Pope Benedict noted Cardinal Sfeir's service to the Catholic Church.

You could celebrate last year's sixty years of your priesthood: proof of loyalty and love for Jesus Christ, the High Priest. In July, you will again have the opportunity to raise a thanksgiving to the Holy Trinity for the completion of fifty years as bishop.

For nearly twenty-five years, you worked with your two predecessors in the See of Antioch before being chosen by the Synod to succeed them April 19, 1986: a turning point that puts you on the threshold of your Silver Jubilee in this office. Full Text.

A synod was convened and bishops from around the world arrived in Bkerke, Lebanon to elect a successor to Sfeir. They chose Bechara Boutros al-Rahi. At 71, he was elected Patriarch of the Maronites on 15 March 2011, after getting more than two-thirds of the votes of the 39 bishops and replacing Nasrallah Sfeir. The Mass for the inauguration of his patriarchate took place on 25 March 2011, in Bkerké, the see of the Maronite Catholic Patriarchate. As is customary for all Maronite patriarchs Rahi took the additional name Boutros, that of Saint Peter, who briefly held the See of Antioch before moving to Rome to become bishop there.

32 posted on 09/27/2011 1:36:35 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

I am not Catholic and I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone, but I have wondered what happens if a Pope gets a disease such as Alzheimer’s.

Can a Pope be removed from office due to a medical condition that prevents him from doing his duties?


33 posted on 09/27/2011 1:39:16 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ping to my #32 for an interesting perspective.


34 posted on 09/27/2011 1:43:04 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: steve86
I can see from your FReeper name and your comments that you selectively read references supporting eschatological-type scenarios and ignore criticism of same.

Really?

Admittedly, I am a prepper and I have an interest in events that would change our way of life "as we know it" but I hardly dwell on "end times" scenarios. There's not a lot of preparation for that. I've really never done much reading about the Mayan calendar thing or the prophecy of the Popes as I only put my faith in the Bible so criticize them all you want. I take no stock in them.

What makes you think I would ignore criticism? I might just join you in your criticism of these extra-Biblical prophecy. I just find them curious but not really important enough to spend much time researching the validity of. I think you are a little quick to categorize me.

35 posted on 09/27/2011 1:52:10 PM PDT by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

:-)


36 posted on 09/27/2011 2:07:54 PM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: KosmicKitty
I am not Catholic and I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone, but I have wondered what happens if a Pope gets a disease such as Alzheimer’s.

From the outside looking in, one might presume the papal office as one of power in which an ailing pontiff might need to be removed. As I commented on an earlier post, people today are living longer and traveling more. The pope has a physician who counsels him on his health. A pope perceives his position as one of "servant of God", not ruler. When a servant is ill or incapacitated, he does what is in the best interest of the flock.

We were privileged to witness this with Pope John Paull II. When he became pope in 1978, John Paul II was still an avid sportsman. At the time, the 58-year old was extremely healthy and active, jogging in the Vatican gardens, weight training, swimming, and hiking in the mountains. His health began to fail after an assassination attempt on his life. He also developed Parkinson's disease. None of these challenged his mental faculties, even though the media constantly raised questions similar to yours.

For us, as catholics, it was agonizing to watch him deteriorate but we recognized this as his personal witness to God's gift of life. Even on his journey towards death, he continued to instruct us on the value of life.

I have no doubt that a pope who believes he can no longer perform the responsibilities of his elected office, will make the right decision, even if it entails reisgning (see my post #32).

37 posted on 09/27/2011 2:14:45 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: KosmicKitty
As I understand it (somebody please jump and correct me if I'm wrong) Canon Law only specifies that a resignation or retirement of a Pope must be voluntary, and must include an official announcement. So if the Pope doesn't voluntarily resign, he cannot be deposed against his will.

But if he really is incapacitated, most of his work would be done by the assistants he had chosen, as was the case in John Paul II's declining years, when he was quite disabled.

38 posted on 09/27/2011 2:17:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first law is not to dare to utter a lie; the second, not to fear to speak the truth. "-Leo XIII)
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To: NYer

Peter the Roman will follow. He’ll be the last Pope. He’ll be the one to take the Church through the persecution. That is, if you believe St. Malachy.


39 posted on 09/27/2011 2:18:12 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: NYer
Vatican dismisses talk of pope resigning in 2012
40 posted on 09/27/2011 2:35:14 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Verbal engineering always precedes social engineering.")
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