Benedict XVI Ratzinger (1927- ), the Pope of Rome, with Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev of Volokolamsk (1966- ) at a concert in Rome in May 2010
Posted on 09/30/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by marshmallow
I still hope and pray for unity, and will continue to do so. Brick by brick.
Didn’t think you’d be able to answer my questions but I thought you might try. I guess you are admitting you have no idea.
You ask where the Orthodox Patriarchs were in the first few centuries... Are you even aware that Peter founded the Patriarchate of Antioch BEFORE he went to Rome? Are you even aware that Peter AND PAUL founded Rome, not just Peter?
So there, I answered your question and you haven’t even attempted to answer mine. Good try at changing the subject though.
Here is Metropolitan Hilarion site.
http://en.hilarion.orthodoxia.org/
A good article from earlier this year
Catholic and Orthodox Unity: Close Enough to Imagine
http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/catholic-and-orthodox-unity-close-enough-imagine
“Therefore, dearly beloved brother, have humility with all your heart. It is that which inspires peace among the brethren...What will you say to Christ, Who is the Head of the universal Church - what will you say to Him at the last judgment - you, who by your title of universal, would bring all His members into subjection to yourself? Whom I pray you tell me, whom do you imitate by this perverse title if not Lucifer who, despising the legions of angels, his companions, endeavored to mount to the highest?...But if anyone usurp in the Church a title which embraces all the faithful, the universal Church - O blasphemy! - will then fall with him, since he makes himself to be called the universal. May all Christians reject this blasphemous title - this title which takes the sacerdotal honor from every priest the moment it is insanely usurped by one.”
—Pope St. Gregory The Great, 590-604 AD
You wrote:
“Question for you. When is the feast of St. Peter?”
Peter’s chief feast day is June 29. He is also honored on February 22 and November 18.
“Where is your icon of the Church?”
In heaven with her Son - MARY - ESCHATOLOGICAL ICON OF THE CHURCH (CCC 972)
And we will retain the historic ‘first among equals’ ideal and reject the revisionism of papal supremacy.
Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev composed and wrote music for the choir and orchestra for the “The Passion according to St Matthew”
Here is some of it on youtube,it’s wonderful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUbmCoMP1Y&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL5E0A1F931FDEC175
I really can appreciate the gift he has because my oldest daughter is a vocalist with a music degree who has sang in opera’s in europe.
The communists seized them and gave them to the Orthodox, and after the fall of communism, they were rightfully returned to the Ukrainian Catholics.
To demand they be given back to the Orthodox as a prerequisite for a meeting between the Pope and the Russian Patriarch is simply untenable, especially considering The Holodomor, the "terror-famine" carried out against Ukrainian Catholics by the Russians in the 1930s.
Met. Hilarion is both right and wrong on this question of primacy, for reasons I discuss in detail here: http://easternchristianbooks.blogspot.com/2011/09/orthodox-diversity-on-problem-of.html
Brian,
Don’t trust the spin of the Moscow Times Press. This like trusting what the NY Times plus 10 has to say regarding anything
I've been following Metropolitan Hilarion's career very closely for several years, because of his overtures to Rome.
In the past, I've been troubled by his defense of apokatastasis, but this statement about the Ukrainian church eclipses those concerns.
Dear Brother,
I’m not sure what point your trying to make here?
Are you saying Bishop Hilarion and Pope Benedict XVI can never work together towards unity?
I'm not sure either. I guess I just had high hopes for Hilarion, and his recent comments about the Ukraine indicate he's just another Russian politician-cleric.
Dear brother,
Perhaps this detailed article will help you see there is hope and good intentions between the Russian Orthodox and us.
http://en.ria.ru/andrei_zolotov_blog/20110930/167287961.html
Time heals many wounds,my friend.
Even among the Russian Orthodox. There are deep divisions between those like Archbishop Illarion with benign attitude toward the Western Church and then there are those who call him, o horrors, a crypto-Catholic and crypto-Jew. There are division between the Russion Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (the one that collaborated with the God-hating Soviet regime) and the remnant of the Russian Catacomb Church that primarily looks to the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, -- which itself is divided over the union with, -- no, not Rome, -- with Moscow.
At times I regret I read Russian.
Spot on.
Excellent commentary, thank you for the link!
Of course they don't need to -- the Orthodox are, just like us Catholics (all 22 rites), fully part of the Apostolic Church.
These are the two lungs of the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church.
The more important point which is what we are doing now is working and praying together. We face common foes and we must stand together. Unity on practical matters (like standing back to back against secularism and Islam) is doable and we should do it -- the rest is up to God.
The central focus of Christendom is Christ, as always. however, day-to-day practicalities have to be met, decisions made etc.
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