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Vatican daily criticizes BBC for 'erasing Christ from history'
cna ^ | October 4, 2011

Posted on 10/04/2011 1:33:17 PM PDT by NYer

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To: D-fendr
Here, in this world, when someone says they are a Christian it means something, in broad terms at a belief in the Holy Trinity and Jesus Christ is God.

If you mean something else by ‘Christian’, more is needed to differentiate: Jehovah’s Witness, LDS, Messianic Jew, etc.

Barrack Hussein Obama claims to be a Christian.

Is that what you mean ?


61 posted on 10/06/2011 8:34:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Cronos; Natural Law
Christianity is what the Church says it is, not what you say it is.

How utterly self-centered
and narcissistic.
Or self-loving, self-admiring, self-absorbed,
self-obsessed, conceited, self-centered,
self-regarding, egotistic, egotistical, egoistic;

More man-made religion.

Let's see what YHvH thinks a church is.

YHvH defined what an Ekklesia
was in Deuteronomy 4:10.

'Assemble the people to Me,
that I may let them hear My words
It is all who are called out by Him
to hear YHvH speak to them.

Ekklesia is not a building nor
a international corporation
nor international cartel.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
62 posted on 10/06/2011 8:55:19 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Why don’t you actually learn the history of the First Ecumenical Council instead of spouting nonsensical anti-papal propaganda you picked up somewhere?

Try this Link

From the Letter of the Emperor
to all those not present at the Council.

(Found in Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib. iii., 18-20.)

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
63 posted on 10/06/2011 9:07:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Nicene Council (first Ecumenical Council in Church history) was not lead (sic) by Constantine. Constantine pleaded with the Church to settle the Arian affair (of which you guys lost) and offered to host the event since it was tearing the secular Empire (based in Turkey, not in Italy, as you keep erroneously claiming) apart. The Church, for the first time, defined Christianity. I realize that to the free spirits and the self worshippers, this appears to be a supreme affront. Tough.

When you correct someone as many times as he has been corrected and he continues to post that falsehood, well, in the real world we call that telling a lie.

64 posted on 10/06/2011 9:14:29 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I don't hate Mormons. Is that okay?)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Barrack Hussein Obama claims to be a Christian. Is that what you mean ?

Same standard yes. The term Christian applies to a small set of beliefs for about a billion people simply as a definition, a correlation.

If you or Obama do not hold this set of beliefs more distinction is needed where they vary.

Do you vary from the Trinitarian belief and belief that Jesus is God?

65 posted on 10/06/2011 9:15:25 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Or self-loving, self-admiring, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, conceited, self-centered, self-regarding, egotistic, egotistical, egoistic;

that sure does describe your group's ability to attack all Christians who believe Jesus Christ is Lord, God and SAvior.

66 posted on 10/06/2011 12:25:05 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; D-fendr
Barrack Hussein Obama claims to be a Christian.

Nah, he belongs to the same type of religion as your group, uri -- groups that deny Jesus Christ is God

67 posted on 10/06/2011 12:28:00 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Godzilla; Alex Murphy
you want to see anti-trinitarian stuff, here you go, from uri: By insisting on the use of the term Anno Domini(AD) (Year of the LORD) they are clearly stating that the LORD did not create the universe.
68 posted on 10/06/2011 12:38:49 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos
Nah, he belongs to the same type of religion as your group, uri -- groups that deny Jesus Christ is God

I have answered this more than once.

You seem to enjoy prevarication.

I find no scriptural support for the pantheon
of gods and goddesses of the Roman "church".

There is only Echad YHvH (one Elohim).

Yah'shua is YHvH's Shekinah Glory.

The Roman "church" claims to be followers of the Christ,
however they have impugned His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
69 posted on 10/06/2011 12:52:13 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Ekklesia is not a building nor a international corporation nor international cartel.

Nor is it ruled by Judaizers who have been banned from the Church going back to St. Paul and the 12.

NonChristians who rail against the Church don't get to define Christianity.

70 posted on 10/06/2011 5:06:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Actually you haven’t — your cult rejects Christianity completely.


71 posted on 10/07/2011 12:47:50 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
And what exactly is proved by the fact that St. Constantine communicated the decision of the First Ecumenical Council on the dating of Pascha to the bishops throughout the Empire in an Imperial letter, other than that he did so?

I realize since you have affected a Hebrew screen name, and refer to Our Lord with the Hebrew version of His given human name, that you are probably offended by St. Constantine's deprecating remarks about Jews and following the Jewish calendar. Do remember, though that the Emperor was writing to the Church at a time shortly after, by his decree, the persecutions of the Church had ceased, persecutions that had been carried out by both pagan Romans and by Jews (whose religion has the status of religio licta (a permitted religion) within the Empire from before the time of Our Lord's Incarnation). And he wrote at a time long enough after Christ's early ministry and the Jewish Council of Jamnia that those who identified as Jews, rather than Christians, were by definition, deniers of Christ and enemies of the Gospel, rather than simply adherents of the Old Covenant who had not heard the Gospel.

The conciliar decision on the dating of Pascha was entirely reasonable: date it based on the Church's own calculation of when the Old Covenant Passover would fall, rather than relying on calculations done by Christ-denying rabbis, and keep the Feast of the Resurrection on the Sunday (which day is called in Greek, the lingua franca of the Empire by that time, Kyriakie, the Lord's Day) following the Church's date for Passover. (Symbolically, the commemoration of the Israelites passover from bondage to freedom precedes the commemoration of Christ's passover from death to life in the liturgical cycles, just as it preceded and was type in history of the latter.) Why should the Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, rely on calculations done by those who deny Christ?

72 posted on 10/08/2011 12:11:39 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
And what exactly is proved by the fact that St. Constantine communicated the decision of the First Ecumenical Council on the dating of Pascha to the bishops throughout the Empire in an Imperial letter, other than that he did so?

I realize since you have affected a Hebrew screen name, and refer to Our Lord with the Hebrew version of His given human name, that you are probably offended by St. Constantine's deprecating remarks about Jews and following the Jewish calendar. Do remember, though that the Emperor was writing to the Church at a time shortly after, by his decree, the persecutions of the Church had ceased, persecutions that had been carried out by both pagan Romans and by Jews (whose religion has the status of religio licta (a permitted religion) within the Empire from before the time of Our Lord's Incarnation). And he wrote at a time long enough after Christ's early ministry and the Jewish Council of Jamnia that those who identified as Jews, rather than Christians, were by definition, deniers of Christ and enemies of the Gospel, rather than simply adherents of the Old Covenant who had not heard the Gospel.

The conciliar decision on the dating of Pascha was entirely reasonable: date it based on the Church's own calculation of when the Old Covenant Passover would fall, rather than relying on calculations done by Christ-denying rabbis, and keep the Feast of the Resurrection on the Sunday (which day is called in Greek, the lingua franca of the Empire by that time, Kyriakie, the Lord's Day) following the Church's date for Passover. (Symbolically, the commemoration of the Israelites passover from bondage to freedom precedes the commemoration of Christ's passover from death to life in the liturgical cycles, just as it preceded and was type in history of the latter.) Why should the Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, rely on calculations done by those who deny Christ?

Read it again.

The Roman Pontiff and the assembled bishops
rejected the Holy WORD of G-d as laid out in
Leviticus as to YHvH's timing of Passover and
replaced it with a Pagan feast.

OBTW Uri'el is one of the Arch-angels.

Uri'el warned Noah of the impending flood
and the destruction of mankind.

Is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life ?

Seek YHvH in His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
73 posted on 10/08/2011 7:37:37 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

In that case, I think your quarrel is with the Holy Apostles, and not with St. Constantine or the bishops who assembled at the First Ecumenical Council:

Christians, at least Christians of gentile ancestry, who by the fourth century were essentially all Christians, had not kept the Mosaic Passover since the decision of the Apostolic Council recorded in the Acts of the Apostles, as its observance was a part of the Law not laid on gentile Christians by the council. The replacement of the Mosaic Passover with the Christian Pascha had already been well established when the Council of Nicaea met. The only thing that was done at Nicaea in that regard was to uniformize the date on which Christians kept the feast: before that some based their observance on the Jewish lunar calendar, others on the Roman civil calendar, some kept it on a fixed date, some transferred it to Sunday (the normative day of Christian worship from Apostolic times as attested by both the Didache and the Apology of St. Justin the Philosopher.)

It is quite bizarre of you to characterize the observance of a feast in commemoration of Our Lord’s triumph over death in His Glorious Resurrection from the dead following his Saving Passion and Death as a “Pagan feast” even if you have a quarrel with how the Harps of the Spirit (as we Orthodox call the Fathers of the First Ecumenical Council) directed the Church to compute the date of its observance. Pagans keep no festivals nor fasts to honor Christ, nor do Jews, only Christians do. Object if you wish that the Jewish Passover was replaced with a Christian feast, for indeed it was. But as you acknowledge Jesus of Nazareth to have been the Messiah, in Greek the Christ, why is that objectionable, unless would have Christians observe the whole law of Moses?


74 posted on 10/09/2011 2:09:09 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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