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Franky Schaeffer Derides Christianity as “Stupid”
Institute on Religion and Democracy ^
| 10/07/2011
| Kristin Rudolph
Posted on 10/07/2011 1:10:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Arthur McGowan
My daughter, who was a Sophomore at UMASS Amherst at the time, explained this to me last Thanksgiving. “Stupid” is the Left’s code word for Christians. e.g. Sarah Palin is “stupid”.
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:32:09 PM PDT
by
massgopguy
(I owe everything to George Bailey)
To: rightwingcrazy
“How did he come to that conclusion?”
LOL
To: SeekAndFind
Am I supposed to know who this fool is?
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:33:27 PM PDT
by
pgkdan
(Perry 2012!)
To: Tublecane
How did he come to that conclusion?
LOL
His father was a Calvinist?
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:33:51 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: ConservativeDude
life is too short to sit idly in uncertainty
I share that philosophy. All our days are filled with moral choices. Pretending otherwise is one of them.
To: 240B
This is by no means a revelation of anything new. He has simply discovered nihilism.So, is there any hope left for Franky? How far does grace reach?
To: SeekAndFind
“I also hear the absolute statement: THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH a lot in college.”
People say that sort of thing without realizing it all the time. One of my favorites is when they say, “You can’t prove a negative.” Well, that’s a negative, you idiot, which you might have noticed by the word “can’t.”
To: Arthur McGowan; Mrs. Don-o
Actually, I find Franky’s plunge into the abyss to be heart breaking. Pray for him.
I cannot recall such a frightening apostacy in my life. If it could happen to him, it could happen to me.
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:36:01 PM PDT
by
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:37:24 PM PDT
by
TheOldLady
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To: PGR88
All athiests I meet fear Christianity like its some kind of Government secret mind-control trick. They real are quite paranoid about it, and it shows.I see this a lot, too. I wonder why so many are like that. I used to be an atheist, but I never had a problem with people being Christians. I even thought it a good way to bring up one's kids, even though I did not believe it at the time.
I was on several Blu-ray message boards when the subject of the new Blu-ray release of Ben-Hur came up. Amazing how many posters had to declare that even though they liked the movie they were "not in the least religious", or that they thought "religion has done more harm than good...blah...blah"
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:40:12 PM PDT
by
Sans-Culotte
( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
To: SeekAndFind
In the end of his talk, he was at least somewhat consistent, and said if you disagree with me, youre not going to hell, youre probably right!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That’s being consistent? This guy is as mixed up as they come.
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:41:18 PM PDT
by
Responsibility2nd
(NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
To: rightwingcrazy
Lol!
/Schaeffer's intellectual prowess.
His next trick, "There are no absolutes."
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:46:41 PM PDT
by
rollo tomasi
(Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
To: SeekAndFind
My first class in college I made the mistake of answering the Professor, “Are you absolutely sure”?
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:50:28 PM PDT
by
rollo tomasi
(Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
To: aruanan
It just goes to show that there are no second generation Christians. FWIW, he converted from Reformed to Orthodox Christianity (Eastern Orthodox) in 1991, but he appears to have left that communion as well, in fact if not in form.
Not all evangelical leaders have had the fortune of Billy Graham in having believing progeny. Andrew Himes, the grandson of John Rice, a fundamentalist Baptist leader, became a Communist organizer in Alabama (admittedly a tough job!). The Satanist Aleister Crowley was the son of a devout Plymouth Brethren family. Stalin studied for the Orthodox priesthood. Marx was the son of a family that converted to Lutheranism; he was a devout Christian in his early teen years.
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:53:03 PM PDT
by
Wallace T.
(Shoot, shovel, and shut up)
To: pgkdan
RE: Am I supposed to know who this fool is?
Do you know the late, great Francis August Schaeffer? This fool is his wayward son, who used to believe what his father did.
To: SeekAndFind
Life is not long enough to conclude anything, its only enough to try your best along the way, Schaeffer said, and further, if salvation is correct doctrine, then everyone is lost. To those who hold religious beliefs he said, believe me, you will someday reach a point where you know that was dumb. Schaeffer said his life, for better or worse, worse mainly, happens to intersect the rise of the the religious right in America, which also happens to have ruined the United States. He believes a deity exists, and accepts some select moral teachings from Christianity but, Jesus had to be separated in my mind from a political movement before I could even consider looking at the teaching again as anything but an appendage of a system that failed. Schaeffer presented his views as an alternative to the opposing views of new atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and orthodox Christians. Secularism is not the answer, he said, it is not what its cracked up to be, but also, its not Gods fault that theres dumb stuff in the Bible. According to Schaeffer, we are not stuck with the stupidity of Christianity, but are free to create our own conception of God, reality, and morality. Not believing in the Christian God doesnt mean that a God that loves me
and created love and personality and relationships in a universe that otherwise would be dark and cold isnt out there. Ping for later.
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posted on
10/07/2011 1:58:13 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
To: attyatlaw001
Before the cock crows, you will deny me thrice.
The guy is selling this book while setting up his next book. You know, the one where he has another revelation and finds his way back into Christianity as born again.
People have always used religion to make money. He is just doing his little shtick here. I do not take him seriously.
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posted on
10/07/2011 2:01:29 PM PDT
by
240B
(he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
To: SeekAndFind
” It is dogmatic belief in the Bible and the God of the Bible that, according to Schaeffer, has ultimately caused the rise of the religious right and the decline of the country it has so impacted.
This is so patently the opposite of what is happening even now, that the only possible conclusion is that the subject is stupid, delusional or evil.
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posted on
10/07/2011 2:04:45 PM PDT
by
TalBlack
( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
To: SeekAndFind
Does he receive money from his father’s estate???
I wonder.
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posted on
10/07/2011 2:08:00 PM PDT
by
fishtank
(The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
To: SeekAndFind
Oh, Boy . . .
Here we go.
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posted on
10/07/2011 2:12:41 PM PDT
by
YHAOS
(you betcha!)
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