Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Dutchboy88
Your crackpot organization made up the term Roman Catholic Church sometime around 300AD.

And what happened to the church established by our Lord and governed by the apostles and the bishops as their successors as described by St. Paul? From the letter of St. Clement, Bishop of Rome, around the year 80:

The Church of God which sojourns in Rome to the Church of God which sojourns in Corinth, to those who are called and sanctified by the will of God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Grace and peace from almighty God be multiplied unto you through Jesus Christ. Owing to the sudden and repeated calamities and misfortunes which have befallen us, we must acknowledge that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the matters in dispute among you, beloved; and especially that abominable and unholy sedition, alien and foreign to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-willed persons have inflamed to such madness that your venerable and illustrious name, worthy to be loved by all men, has been greatly defamed. …

The Apostles received the gospel for us from the Lord Jesus Christ; and Jesus Christ was sent from God. Christ, therefore, is from God, and the Apostles are from Christ. Both of these orderly arrangements, then, are by God's will. Receiving their instruction and being full of confidence on account of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and confirmed in faith by the word of God, they went forth in the complete assurance of the Holy Spirit, preaching the good news that the Kingdom of God is coming. Through countryside and city they preached; and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty: for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier. Indeed, Scripture somewhere says: "I will set up their bishops in righteousness and their deacons in faith."

Our Apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned, and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry.

St. Ignatius, the third bishop of Antioch writes around the year 110:
Indeed, when you submit to the bishop as you would to Jesus Christ, it is clear to me that you are living not in the manner of men but as Jesus Christ, who died for us, that through faith in His death you might escape dying. It is necessary, therefore, —and such is your practice, —that you do nothing without your bishop, and that you be subject also to the presbytery [i.e. the priests], as to the Apostles of Jesus Christ our hope, in whom we shall be found, if we live in Him. It is necessary also that the deacons, the dispensers of the mysteries of Jesus Christ, be in every way pleasing to all men. For they are not the deacons of food and drink, but the servants of the Church of God. They must, therefore, guard against blame as against fire.

In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters [priests] as the council of God and college of the Apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church.
Letter to the Trallians

Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church that has found mercy in the greatness of the Most High Father and in Jesus Christ, His only Son; to the Church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus Christ, our God, by the will of Him that has willed everything which is; to the Church also which holds the presidency in the place of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and because you hold the presidency of love, named after Christ and named after the Father: her therefore do I salute in the spirit by every commandment of His, who are filled with the grace of God without wavering, and who are filtered clear of every foreign stain, I wish an unalloyed joy in Jesus Christ, our God. … Not as Peter and Paul did, do I command you.
Letter to the Romans

You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery as you would the Apostles. Reverence the deacons as you would the command of God. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop, or by one whom he appoints. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, THERE IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Letter to the Smyrnaeans

Too bad history does not support your ideas. Jesus Christ established the Church upon the Apostles who appointed bishop to succeed them and which continues in an unbroken to this day in the Catholic Church. The idea that the Catholic Church was established by imperial fiat in the 4th cent. does not match the historical record and is pure fantasy.
133 posted on 10/14/2011 2:26:15 PM PDT by Petrosius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies ]


To: Petrosius
"Too bad history does not support your ideas:

Too bad the Bible doesn't support your remanufactured history.

135 posted on 10/14/2011 2:34:35 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 133 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson