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To: caww
I know of no Christians who claim that Christ came from gentiles

Neither do I. What I said is Christian religious doctrine teaches that Yah’shua Messiah came to form a new church(ecclesia) of put of covenant pagan gentiles who only have to profess to believe He is the Messiah and are not subject to that which He is. They teach that which He is, Torah, is only for Jews there by keeping their flock out of Covenant.

I am trying to determine which Messianic Jews Teachings you are referencing

I am not referencing any Messianic Jewish teaching whatsoever. The Messianic have their own religious doctrinal issues I care not to join in and being labeled a member of any religious denomination is not a requirement for salvation. Now don't get me wrong, I do miss the weekly in person fellowship however I am completely at peace until a congregation is formed in my area that doesn't feel the need for man made religious doctrine.

Your teachings center primarily as referencing specifically Jesus as Yah’shua with a strong attachment to the Torah as central to your beliefs

No, it is not my teaching that references the strong attachment of Yah’shua to the Torah as being central. It comes straight out of Scripture from YHVH Himself. The most prominent example is John 1:1-3,14 Yah’shua was & is the Torah, he has been since the beginning and will remain so to the end.

YHVH selected the Hebrew Abraham for a reason. Hebrew means crossed over. Abraham was an out of Covenant gentile when YHVH chose him & called him out. Why was Abraham's seed selected for the Covenant of the Promise Paul speaks of in Romans? Genesis 26:5; Romans 4:3-13 And thus Scriptural proof that pagan gentiles welcome from the beginning.

Torah was only written down at Mt Sinai, but it had always been from the beginning. It was only due to the fact that YHVH’s children kept forgetting & ignoring the spoken that it even had to be written down in the 1st place. Thus from Mt Sinai forward to the end of the age, which we are still in to this day, there would no excuse not to know the instructions in order to keep in Covenant. Especially in today's times when Bibles are so ready available & affordable.

110 posted on 10/16/2011 10:21:30 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

The Christian doctrine I adhere to has nothing whatsoever to do with what you speak of that “Christian Doctrine teaches”....

Jesus didn’t come to form a “new” church....He came to redeem man...to reconcile them to God...Both Jew and Gentile. Those who trust Jesus for their salvation, from the penalty of sin which He endured for them...They become ‘the body’ of believers, which is His church, and of which Jesus is the head and the chief cornerstone. Therefore we are subject to Him and His authority...both Jew and Gentile believer.

As for you awaiting for a “group” to form hopefully you will find a “body” of true believers and once more the fellowhip your lacking currently... for Jesus said we are not to foresake the gathering of ourselves together as some do and shipwreck their faith.

But as much as you state you do not belong to a particular denomination your beliefs and the statements you make her do adhere to specific ones that are out there who center on the Torah...just as you stated.


111 posted on 10/16/2011 10:56:04 PM PDT by caww
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