Posted on 10/17/2011 8:03:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
Christians = cult (according to mormons), then why the h#77 do they want to be called Christians?
Not to mention, "magic underwear". It's fair game, after all the question of, "Jockeys or boxers", was asked of Bill Clinton.
I own a K.J.V. "Masonic Bible", if you can show me where the text deviates from the K.J.V. Bible, I will throw it away.
Admittedly, I haven't read it very much, it is much too big to be practical. By the way, Free Masonery doesn't claim to be a religion either. J. Smith was a Mason briefly and was kicked out for wanting to make it a religion and then he stole those rites that are symbolic for Masons and incorporated them into Mormonism.
Oh but we do Colofornian. the prophet bring'em young expounded the doctrine of Adam/God for his followers. Problem is the 20th century mormons tossed him under the bus when that teaching shown unfavorably upon the PR image lds inc. was trying to project.
I think the word for October is “puny”, like your god is puny but the lds god is not.
Wonder what’s coming up for November?
And smith claimed he would be the next mohammad.
They disown family if they walk away or family that wont convert. CULT they are.
And Mose’ story NEVER EVER changed.
The First Book of Moses Chapter 18
Um,
Ok since we are leaving scripture and going to fiction then we can respond with the Fourth Chapter of the Hobbit and still be with in what is referred to as “truth” by LDS standards......
Bigot may get another run...
We jes ask Heavenly Father that all men be save. Heavenly Father knows what we need b4 we axe for it.
Um, Ok since we are leaving scripture and going to fiction then we can respond with the Fourth Chapter of the Hobbit and still be with in what is referred to as “truth” by LDS standards...... [Ejones]
BlueMoose...even the Mormon conjured-up "scripture" the Book of Moses has only 8 "known" chapters. What? Have your "prophets" been finding additional Egyptian funeral documents, and then "translating" them, adding chapters to your "Book of Moses" on the sly?
ALL: This is why you can't trust Mormons @ first glance....nor second, third, fourth, or fifth for that matter.
Their original founder was a fiction-writer like Scientologist's L. Ron Hubbard. Hence, any fiction is an "OK" sub for the facts!
Smith’s teachings were more peculiar than those of David Koresh, a “prophet” whom the UNS Government found intolerable. But today’s Mormons seem to minimize what they owe to Smith.
Early mormon “general authorities” also had a warmer view of Islam than of Christianity:
“The Greek and Roman Churches, which have been called Christian, and which take the name of Christians as a cloak, have worshipped innumerable idols. On this account, on the simple subject of the Deity and His worship, if nothing more, I should rather incline, of the two, after all my early traditions, education, and prejudices, to the side of Mahomet, for on this point he is on the side of truth, and the Christian world on the side of idolatry and heathenism.
In the first place, the latter lay it down as a point of theology, and it is a foundation point too, that there is one only true God, consisting of three persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but without body, parts, or passions. Here is the exact image and likeness of an idol established through the principal creeds of Christendom, that is, if it is an image at all, or if it makes a shadow at all, it is that of an idol: it is a being that never existed in heaven, earth, or hell; it will not make even a shadow. Indeed, it is a thing literally motionless and powerless, as much so as any term that can be used to mean nonentity.
Jesus Christ, whom we worship as the Son of God, and the Savior of the world, has body, parts, and passions, and he is like his Father; he is the express image of his Father’s person and the brightness of His glory, whom we also worship. They are individual personages organized as a pattern after which men were created; they have tabernacles, and are in every way personages and intelligent beings.
Therefore, that something, or that nothing, that imaginary being, that idol that is recognised in the creeds of Christendom in general as a god without body, parts, or passions, has nothing to do whatever with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or with the Son of God that came in the meridian of time, who was crucified, died, and rose again from the dead, and ascended on high to lead captivity captive, and give gifts to men. Inasmuch as he and his Father are organised with body and parts, with limbs, joints, flesh, and bones, that are immortal and eternal, they have no part or lot, or communication whatever, with that imaginary being which is recognised in the principal creeds of Christendom as their God, viz., a god without body, parts, or passions.
Therefore, in that sense, in the very foundation of their creeds they are idolators; and instead of saying that Mahometanism prevailed against Christianity, and that Christianity was in danger of being done away by its prevalence, we would rather say, that where Mahometanism prevailed, it taught and established one truth at least, viz., the true and living God, and so far as this went, it did preserve people from worshipping idols. And had the crescent waved on the tower of London, or on the church of St. Paul, instead of the cross, and had the Mahometan religion been enforced instead of the Roman religion that was enforced for a series of generations, and had tradition riveted what the sword enforced, then that nation and the surrounding nations would have been worshippers of one true God instead of idols; they would have recognized it in theory at least, whether they would have worshipped Him in spirit and in truth or not. But now they do not recognize Him in theory, for they acknowledge as their god an imaginary being without body, parts, or passions.
Setting aside this one point, they acknowledge and worship innumerable idols, pictures, images, &c., amounting almost to an infinite number, in every place where Christianity has been blended with the civil power, and enforced and established by law under the one great standard called Catholic—imaginary deities that are the works of men’s hands, and to which they actually and literally bow down. This may not be the case so fully in these United States, where there is a kind of balance of power, and religion, and population, and influences of various kinds acting as checks upon each other; but go to those countries where there are no such checks or balances of power; go to Chili, Spain, or any other of the states or nations where the Roman cross, instead of the crescent, or any other ensign, is the standard, where there are no Protestant influences and Protestant dissensions to interfere with the prevailing power, and, as a matter of course, all the subjects of that realm have by law one religion prescribed to them, supported and enforced by civil authority, to the prohibition of all others. In such countries, you can contemplate that religion in all its open and unveiled idolatry; it is there you will see more fully exhibited the practice of worshipping images, of bowing down to dumb idols in the shape of pictures, images, saint worship, angel worship, &c., &c.”
Excerpt from a discourse of Parley Parker Pratt (Apostle), given in the Bowery at Salt Lake City on September 23, 1855.
Some consider scripture fiction.
Yes.
But today’s Mormons seem to minimize what they owe to Smith.
Yes & No.
Yes, Mormons will often throw Smith under the bus when it comes to having to face much of what he taught.
But, no, in that Mormons realize, no Smith, no Mormonism. Hence, the "larger-than-life" sculptured images of Smith or almost-perfect artistic drawings of Smith that don't match reality [cue Elsie with many of his posted images]. Or the "Praise to the Man" ode-to-Joe hymn in their hymnal.
Hence, the portrayal of him is so often in truly mythical proportion.
[This is also why we've seen the "Joseph Smith nativity scene" posted on so many FR threads. Jesus Christ has a tough time competing with Smith @ Christmas time...as Smith was born Dec. 23...and for so many years -- and is still true today...Smith outdoes Jesus for mentions by Mormons in their testimony meetin's]
Ah, the hubris of Smith has been swallowed by his disciples: "All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, NOR JESUS ever did it. I boast that NO MAN ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409).
Utter Blasphemy! And yet Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, and all Mormons follow a man who would utter such a thing!
Does their blasphemy & idolatry know of any bounds?
You missed a key adjective there, BM: Some consider Mormon scripture fiction.
The dead-man-turned-angel-ghost Moroni didn't write, summarize, or even compile the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith had a "true confession" time in one of his D&C verses. Here, read Smith's "confessional" about admitting what a great work of fiction he wrote. It's right there in one of your "scriptures":
"Behold, thou wast called and chosen to WRITE the Book of Mormon..." (Doctrine & Covenants 24:1).
Not "translate," BM.
Not "interpret," BM.
But to write!
(My theory is that Smith thought it was a masterpiece fictional work as of July 1830 when D&C 24:1 was penned. He wanted to be sure he rec'd the requisite recognition & glory for its content. And he hadn't yet fully realized the religious swindle potential...$...available females to sleep with in a time & place when culture frowned upon such bed-to-bed maneuvering...even 11 men's wives available to him for sleeping arrangements).
Reminds me of L. Ron Hubbard, who wrote fiction...but admitted that the place for real $ was religion (Scientology).
I'm not aware that JS wrote this. Please enlighten me.
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