Posted on 10/17/2011 8:03:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
There is nothing more embarrassing than a bunch of ministers squabbling for tithes.
I can’t remember if it was jahova witness other mormons, but one of them states that’s the Angle of Light gave them their gospel. Even in their own concordance the angle of light has another name.
The concordance reads, see devil.
I may disagree with some teachings of different denominations but I do not question there salvation. The problem comes with any church saying they are the “ONLY TRUE CHURCH”. That is what all cults have in common.
If anyone wants to test if there church is a cult all they have to do is quit the church. If they are disowned by all of there church friends they are in a cult.
THAT IS THE TRUTH
IF YOU COULD HIE TO KOLOB
William Phelps, 1842
(Hymn #242 in the Mormon hymnal)
1. If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity,
Find out the generation Where Gods began to be?
2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation, Where Gods and matter end?
Me thinks the Spirit whispers, “No man has found ‘pure space,’
Nor seen the outside curtains, Where nothing has a place.”
3. The works of God continue, And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter; There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit; There is no end to race.
4. There is no end to virtue; There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom; There is no end to light.
There is no end to union; There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood; There is no end to truth.
5. There is no end to glory; There is no end to love;
There is no end to being; There is no death above.
There is no end to glory; There is no end to love;
There is no end to being; There is no death above.
Here is a link to an interesting article about this topic in Christianity Today:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/mayweb-only/122-42.0.html
And the same Smith that went right back to stealing sheep AFTER he claims he had met god and jesus or was it just jesus or was it an angel or several anghels ???
And the same Smith that went right back to stealing sheep AFTER he claims he had met god and jesus or was it just jesus or was it an angel or several angels ???
That excuse is. . . . . . believeable LOL
The day/week is still young
Personally penned. Actually the “official” version wasn’t written by smith’s hand, but that of his scribe and though written in 1838, it was not published until 1842 in Times and Seasons.
The other accounts smith had direct oversight on and probably contributed to the writing, such as interviews and publications in lds periodicals. Excluding Harris’ 1827 acct, that makes 9 - that is why off the top of my head I said NEARLY a dozen.
In a detailed accounting of the versions found here:
http://www.irr.org/mit/first-vision/fvision-accounts.html
They conclude:
First, Joseph did not relate his story consistently, but changed key elements over the years. He changed:
The date / his age — from 1823 (age 16), to 1821 (age 15), to 1820 (age 14)
The reason or motive for seeking divine help — from no motive (a spirit appears with the news of gold plates), Bible reading and conviction of sins, a revival, a desire to know if God exists.
Who appears to him — a spirit, an angel, two angels, Jesus, many angels, the Father and the Son.
Second, common elements from early accounts raise questions about what appears to be a gradual evolution of Joseph Smith’s first vision story. Did Joseph begin to include a “Christian experience” in the telling of his story because Bauder noticed it was lacking? The earliest accounts given to Chase and Harris do not include this. There is a noticeable shift in the context of finding the gold plates, from 17 year-old money-digger to 14 year-old spiritual seeker. Is this an attempt to put his story into a more socially acceptable context? It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that as time went on, Joseph omitted uncomfortable but true parts of his history and replaced them with fictitious elements in order to make his story more socially acceptable and spiritually compelling.
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2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three amen stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
“Get a Masonic (Mason) Bible, and then compare it with the John Smith versin of the Bible”
Why would I use a Bible from one cult to check on another cult? I have spoken to and listened to many who have been in the upper ranks of the Masonic Lodge who have come to know Jesus as their Lord and have come out against the beliefs and practices of the Masonic Lodge.
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Tell us moose - who does the bible say Jacob wrestled with.
(And tell us, Moose, was Eve made after the unnamed goddess' physical image -- you know, the one Mormons claim that the Mormon god has had sex with to produce billions & billions & billions of spirit babies...and if she's having sex that often, how does she do -- or the Mormon god do -- anything else given that Lds believe time is ticking on the other side of the veil?)
Per the "Jesus Christ as His Gospel" portion of the Lds encyclopedia: "In LDS Christology, Jesus was in time before he entered mortality, is in time now, and will be forever." (p. 459)
Why do we know more about Eve than we do the Mormon goddess(es)? Doesn't the Mormon god wish to display His "trophy wife" or wives?
The pre-incarnate Jesus Christ is one of the three. The other two are angels (see Genesis 19:1). He's the only person of the Godhead that man has ever seen. ("No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" John 1:18)
Two of the "men" head to toward Sodom while the LORD tarries to talk with Abraham (Genesis 18:22*). The other two are in fact angels (Genesis 19:1a "Then there came two angels to Sodom at even;) After the angels escort Lot and his family out of Sodom, the LORD destroys Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24).
I see I'm still supplying the Book and Chapter for your incomplete references. Are you unable to do this yourself?
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