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To: patlin
Greek text of the book of Hebrews to see that words(I only gave one example) in the letter to the Hebrews had been taken away and replaced with ones that support the false doctrine of Christendom.

Do you have a link to this "correct" version of Hebrews? I studied greek long ago and have a Nestle GT I can compare it to. The book of Hebrews is in fact littered with falsehoods and I my opinion shouldnt even be in the NT. That is, if I was a Christian.

The writer also conveniently leaves out the fact that Paul(Rabbi Sha’ul who the letter to the Hebrews is attributed to) studied under Gamaliel

The problem is there is no outside conformation of this either in the Talmud or in the works of Josephus. Acouple of Gamaliels students are referenced but not Paul or Saul. Respectfully, Paul does not sound like a trained pharisee, his logic is flawed and thoughts are not that organized. Even the church in Jerusalem was wary of him.

151 posted on 10/24/2011 10:11:57 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
Do you have a link to this "correct" version of Hebrews?

I have not ordered a physical copy of the Greek interlinear 1st century writings. I use http://www.e-sword.net/ and thus have not found a need to buy a paper copy.

In the KJV the word "covenant" is italicized. Any word in the 1st century writings that is italicized means that it was not in the original text. When I go to the Greek interlinear 1st century writings(NT), the Greek word for covenant is not there. However, right after "the first" there are 2 Strongs numbers, one is the meaning of "the first" and the other is in brackets with no Greek word associated with it. Thus the word "covenant" was pulled out of thin air.

The same thing appears in Acts 20 & 1 Cor 16 where Paul is clearly writing during the Omer. The original text refers to "first" / "one" of "sabbatons", however when it made its way into English(not sure about Latin as I don't use that translation at all) first / one of sabbatons got changed to 'first of the week' taking out the plurality which was meant to give notice to the time of year and then taking our sabbath to give justification that the sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday.

As far as Paul studying under Gamaliel,I'll let Paul testify for himself using his testimony when false accusations were brought against him.

Acts 21:39 But Paul said, “I am a Jew from Tarsus, in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city; and I implore you, permit me to speak to the people.” 40 So when he had given him permission, Paul stood on the stairs and motioned with his hand to the people. And when there was a great silence, he spoke to them in the Hebrew language, saying,. . . 22:1 “Brethren and fathers, hear my defense before you now.” 2 And when they heard that he spoke to them in the Hebrew language, they kept all the more silent. Then he said: 3 “I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers’ law,"

G1059 Gamaliel γαμαλιηλG1059 GAMALIEL
gam-al-ee-ale'
Of Hebrew origin [H1583]; Gamaliel (that is, Gamliel), an Israelite: - Gamaliel

Gamaliel 1st appears in Acts 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”...Gamaliel’s Advice... 33 When they heard this, they were furious and plotted to kill them. 34 Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. 35 And he said to them: “Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. 36 For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. 37 After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. 38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.”

Is it no wonder that the early RC which later became RCC wanted the book of Acts removed from the canon. They had to know that the truth of their transgressions & the truth of their false religious doctrine would eventually come to the surface.

Paul does not sound like a trained pharisee, his logic is flawed and thoughts are not that organized

This is an incorrect conclusion based on what Christendom teaches. When one removes the Greek lenses one has read through all their lives the truth is as obvious as the nose on ones face. I bucked the truth for a long time because I would not let my heart believe that the clergy I trusted was teaching false doctrine. It wasn't until I let go of man(iysh) lead study & let YHVH lead the way that the truth was revealed. It was a several year painstaking journey.

155 posted on 10/24/2011 12:38:41 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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