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To: Buggman; UriÂ’el-2012; xzins; Torahman; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; altura
Marlowe, you're wrong for calling Uriel a hypocrite just because he's weighing the competing demands of the Torah differently than you.

He is a hypocrite because he judges Perry with a different standard than he judges everyone else while claiming at the same time that he is judging "righteous judgment". That's BS.

He has on just about every thread I've seen planted this nonsense about Perry being a thief because he signed the Texas Dream Act which was passed almost unanimously by the Texas Legislature and which treats the Children of Illegal aliens in a manner consistent with the requirements of the Torah that he pretends to be so committed to.

Sorry Buggman, I'm not backing down on this. Uriel has shown no Christian compassion for sojourners who have themselves committed no crimes.

This land does not belong to Uriel, it belongs to God. As Christians we are obligated to show not only compassion for sojourners, but to treat them as natives. If the government does not enforce immigration laws, then it is as if there are no laws. It is the government which has been lawless and allowed this situation to grow. It has benefited our politicians who have bought votes from companies that hire illegals and hispanic groups that take advantage of them for political gain.

The Children of illegal aliens who were brought here by their parents are not criminals. They are children who are to be pitied as they are people without a country. They were permitted to remain in the country to live as natives and yet they find themselves in the precarious position of not being legally able to obtain employment or even a drivers' license in the only country they have known.

I would agree with Perry that anyone who would not show compassion for these children has no heart. And anyone who would publicly accuse Perry (a professed Christian) of being a thief because he treated these children in a manner consistent with the whole body of scripture, is, IMHO, NOT A CHRISTIAN.

Sorry, but Uriel's position is not a Christian position. Nor is it a Jewish Position. It is a secular heartless position.

We are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves. The Commandment coupled with the commandment to love God with all our hearts fulfills all the other laws. If we personally treat sojourners as anything less than we treat native borns or our own selves, then we violate the commandments of Christ.

I am sick and tired of Uriel's twisted nonsense in regard to Perry's position on the Texas Dream Act. Uriel is a hypocrite. There is not getting around that.

55 posted on 10/20/2011 12:24:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; UriÂ’el-2012; xzins; Torahman; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; altura
I would agree with Perry that anyone who would not show compassion for these children has no heart.

Emotional blackmail and moral high-horses are the trademark of the socialist, not the conservative.

Look, I'm not removed from this discussion. I have quite a few Hispanic friends. Some aren't entirely legal. My daughter's best friend is from Mexico and was born here. Her parents are really nice folks who may or may not be here legally. I've never asked, nor do I intend to. I treat them as the Torah commands.

That doesn't mean that I support politicians who ignore the existing immigration laws--nor does it mean that I have to ignore the inherant danger of extending benefits to the children of illegals, that being that it encourages more illegal immigration.

I see no inherant difference between your argument and the one that conservatives are unfeeling monsters for wanting to roll back the welfare state: "Think of the children!"

By the same token, I am not heartless to the plight of the children of illegals that were born here. You're right that by not enforcing the laws, our own government created this lawless situation. That's why this is not a simple issue.

So again, both of you are wrong to claim that the Bible absolutely backs you up. And if you disagree with that, please answer my question about David.

Shalom

61 posted on 10/20/2011 1:26:04 PM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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