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To: Tzfat; Tax-chick
tzfat:

I think you are misconstruing Tax-Chick's post. SSPXer Williamson is a schismatic and an irrelevant nutcase, and, incidentally an imbecile. He has been charged, I believe, by Germany for his expression of his opinions that the Holocaust never occurred. He is a source of great humiliation to his fellow schismatics of SSPX. He is not alone in that respect as their Bishop de Mallerais has a mouth on him towards John Paul II that makes Williamson seem mild as an irrelevant nutcase and imbecile. John Paul II excommunicated these two and about four others of their cult including its founder Marcel LeFebvre. They are crazies who assume that somehow pope-bashing and making a career of offensive remarks is "traditional."

Benedict XVI is the universal pastor of the Church and, although, as the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under John Paul II, he signed off on the original excommunications as did Bernardin Cardinal Gantin of Dahomey who was then head of the Congregation for Bishops, Benedict XVI has lifted the excommunications but not (as I understand it) the Declaration of Schism (also by John Paul II). In these "discussions," Benedict XVI seems to show near infinite patience with the impertinent pretensions of these malcontents such as their current ringleader Fellay who presumes to "instruct" the pope as to the content of Catholicism in a vain attempt to "correct" the pope. One suspects that SSPX is likely to remain in the outer darkness where they appear to belong in spite of incessant breathless propaganda from them about how the Vatican will surrender to them at any moment.

I can certainly assure you that neither Tax-Chick nor I nor anyone having any business calling him/herself a Catholic on FR or elsewhere wants people of the Jewish Faith or of Jewish ancestry persecuted in the slightest, much less systematically, much less for 1700 years. I would be willing to offer leadership to an outraged mob of Catholics in your defense or that of your co-religionists if ever again you should be so persecuted and I would say confidently that we have got your back. If they want to get to you, they will have to come through us. I suspect that plenty of other Christians here and elsewhere feel the same way. One Holocaust was more than enough.

I acknowledge that there have been many shameful episodes of anti-Semitism in history and all too many by Catholics. OTOH, I am partially English and I do not defend the behavior of the likes of Henry VIII or Elizabeth I, partially German and despise Hitler and Bismarck, partially Scottish but loathe those in league with Edward I (Longshanks), partially Irish and am repulsed by the Castle Irish and those who "drank the soup" during the famine.

Give us credit that we often learn from history and that one important thing we learn is not to repeat the worst of it.

May G-d bless you and yours!

17 posted on 10/20/2011 5:02:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: BlackElk
Benedict XVI has lifted the excommunications but not (as I understand it) the Declaration of Schism (also by John Paul II).

No. Anyone in schism is automatically excommunicated. SSPX bishops have always denied the charge of schism and Pope Benedict's disavowal of the excommunications provides acknowledgment that their is no schism. Benedict's admission that the Latin Mass was never suspended, despite the words and actions of previous liberal popes and bishops, shows that the SSPX was correct in that regard as well.

I acknowledge that there have been many shameful episodes of anti-Semitism in history and all too many by Catholics. OTOH, I am partially English and I do not defend the behavior of the likes of Henry VIII or Elizabeth I, partially German and despise Hitler and Bismarck, partially Scottish but loathe those in league with Edward I (Longshanks), partially Irish and am repulsed by the Castle Irish and those who "drank the soup" during the famine.

Is their any more historic guilt you wish to pile on the heads of Catholics? One never sees Jews or Muslims slobbering with such self-abasement about their misdeeds against Christianity. Get a grip.

19 posted on 10/20/2011 5:40:50 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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