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The Significance of Tithing Settlement (Mormon - open)
L.D.S. org ^ | Dec. 2000 | Kenneth L. DuVall

Posted on 10/28/2011 12:19:53 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Kenneth L. DuVall, “The Significance of Tithing Settlement,” Liahona, Dec. 2000, 40 Tithing is an important test of our personal righteousness. President Joseph F. Smith (1838–1918) said: “By this principle it shall be known who is for the kingdom of God and who is against it. … By it it shall be known whether we are faithful or unfaithful” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 276).

The question is, to whom is our faithfulness to be known? First, we must be satisfied in our own hearts that we have paid an honest tithe. It is important that we have the confirmation of the Spirit in this matter.

It is also important that we declare our tithing faithfulness to our bishop or branch president. We are asked to make this declaration during tithing settlement—an individual or family interview with the bishop or branch president during December each year. There are several important reasons why.

Declaration of tithing status. It is an eternal principle that we are accountable for what we have been given by God: our time, talents, and means. We know that we shall be “judged out of those things which [are] written in the books, according to [our] works” (Rev. 20:12; see also 3 Ne. 27:26). At the end of the year, the bishop or branch president is asked to indicate on the records of the Church the tithing status of each member in his unit. It is our privilege to exercise our accountability by declaring for him our own tithing status.

A time to show our obedience. Tithing settlement allows us the chance to demonstrate our obedience to the Lord. In addition, parents can use tithing settlement as a teaching tool. A family home evening would be a good time to talk about how the Church uses tithing and to help children prepare their own records for this meeting with the bishop. Children who hear their parents declare that they pay a full tithing gain the knowledge that paying tithing is important to their parents and should be important to the children as well.

An audit of our personal records. If we have not taken time to review our records of contributions to the Church, how do we know they are correct? A few years ago, at our year-end review of our contributions, my wife and I discovered that a check for tithing we thought we had written in July had never been given to the Church. We corrected that error immediately.

An audit of the Church records. Every April in general conference, the chairman of the Church Audit Committee stands and says that, based on a review of Church procedures and audit reports, the members of the audit committee are “of the opinion that … Church contributions received and expended during the [previous] year … have been managed in accordance with revelation and established Church policies and procedures” (“The Church Audit Committee Report,” Liahona, July 2000, 26). An important part of those audit procedures is to have us check whether our personal records match the Church’s records. We can check whether our contributions were properly distributed in the categories we selected on our donation slips.

Some people have wondered whether it is necessary to wait until the last day of the year to be sure all income is properly reported. The answer is no. The spirit of tithing settlement is just as easily served on 1 December as on the 31st. We can continue to pay donations after tithing settlement, and the ward clerk will prepare for our review and our personal financial records a final report of contributions as of 31 December.

A time for commitment. What if someone is not a full-tithe payer? What if someone hasn’t paid any tithes or offerings? The interview with the bishop or branch president can be the beginning of repentance, a time to commit to begin or to do better. Everyone who commits to sacrifice as the Lord has commanded will receive spiritual strength and experience personal growth by keeping this resolve.

After commanding His people to pay tithes, the Lord promised to “open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it” (Mal. 3:10; see Mal. 3:8–12). Those who have seen the fulfillment of this promise can testify that the blessings are often more spiritual than financial. When the Lord opens “the windows of heaven,” He pours out blessings suited to His children’s individual needs.

As a bishop, I saw how rich these blessings can be. Great are the blessings that come to those who faithfully pay tithing and to those who faithfully attend tithing settlement.


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At this time, I ask any ex morms here whether they were ever required to prove their income to the church. In order to answer a question from a mormon that was put to me on another thread.
1 posted on 10/28/2011 12:19:54 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: greyfoxx39; Elsie; cuban leaf; MHGinTN; Colofornian; svcw; reaganaut; SZonian; T Minus Four; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 10/28/2011 12:21:15 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Graybeard58

At the time I was living with a Mormon family (rented a room from them) they would receive every month a “bill” from the LDS which was for their tithe and building fund and for this and for that. They had to check off different boxes and put in the amount, write a check and mail it off. They would do this before any other bill was paid. Ten percent, right off the top.


3 posted on 10/28/2011 12:24:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Pilot: n. The Highest Form Of Life On Earth)
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To: Graybeard58

I know that JW’s require control over their brainwashed sheeps’ finances, are you saying that the Mormons require you to prove your income level to the church?


4 posted on 10/28/2011 12:26:06 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Graybeard58

Interesting ping.


5 posted on 10/28/2011 12:29:12 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: Grunthor
are you saying that the Mormons require you to prove your income level to the church?

The Mormon Bishop who wrote this article for LDS.org said it.

6 posted on 10/28/2011 12:30:15 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Graybeard58

Oh. Thank you. I guess I’d have to say that any religion that requires me to tell my Pastor or his boss what my annual household income is, is one that I would avoid as if it were some kind of nutty cult.


7 posted on 10/28/2011 12:34:53 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Grunthor

If they can’t or won’t answer the question that Jesus put to Peter (”Who do you say that I am?”) the way that Peter did, then they are not Christians, no matter what they have for the name of their church.


8 posted on 10/28/2011 12:42:06 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: will of the people

It’s been exactly five years to the day since I posted this.

It all started with one little independent free floating thought that ran through my mind. I won’t say God told me this (for while I believe it to be so, you’ll need to judge this for yourself). “Jesus is your tithe.”

It piqued my interest. I began to form mental arguments against it. Jesus isn’t my tithe I thought. Why I’d been taught all my life, had believed without question that tithing was a command for the New Testament Church.

But the thought kept nagging at me. I began to think. What was the tithe? It was the smaller portion, given to God, that redeemed the greater portion. And I began to look at scriptures concerning the tithe. I paid attention to where tithing was mentioned and I paid attention to where it seemed logical for tithing to be mentioned but it wasn’t. I looked at Abram tithing to Melchisedec and Jesus being a priest after the order of Melchisedec. I looked at church history, and I looked at seemingly unrelated scripture.

Law vs. Grace

Hebrews chapter 7 speaks about several of these subjects.

Hebrews 7:1-22 (NIV) This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything.
First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.
Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, their brothers—even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.
If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. For it is declared: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: `You are a priest forever.’” Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Here are some notes on this reference. I’m just going to list them right now and we’ll put them together in logical arguments a little later.

We see that Abraham tithed to Melchisedec. Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchisedec. The Melchisedec priesthood is higher than the Levitical priesthood because Levi in Abraham’s loins paid tithes to Melchisedec.

Whenever there is a change in priesthood there is of necessity a change in the law. Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. Therefore the Levitical tithe holds no weight for us, because its priesthood was replaced by the priesthood of Jesus.

Okay, now the detailed arguments.

Tithes were only to be received by a priest. Okay, you may argue, but we are a chosen generation a royal priesthood a holy nation. Yes, but, we cannot use the law of the Levitical priesthood to determine our proper service to God, “For when there is a change of the priesthood there must also be a change of the law.” Jesus was out of Judah so we cannot assume any of the Levitical duties to be passed from their priesthood to ours.

In fact concerning the Levitical priesthood the writer of Hebrews states in v 18 “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless. 19(for the law made nothing perfect) and a better hope is introduced by which we draw near to God.”

Yes you say, but though we have no obligation under the Mosaic covenant, the tithes Abraham paid were before the Mosaic covenant and therefore outside the law, and therefore continued to the New Covenant. Not so fast. There are several covenants in the Old Testament; the Adamic, the Noahic, The Abrahamic and the Mosaic. Surely you wouldn’t suggest that only the Mosaic was fulfilled in the sacrifice of Jesus.

If so, where is the completion of the Adamic covenant, where the first blood sacrifice was made.
Could we not argue that blood sacrifices were fulfilled under the Mosaic covenant but not under the Adamic?

Why would circumcision (fulfilled under the Mosaic Law but still arguably unfulfilled under the Abrahamic covenant) not be necessary? But this issue was specifically discussed in the first century church.

No, clearly each of these was a covenant between God and men, and each of these has one thing in common, sequential expansion by the next covenant between God and man. In fact, each was an expansion of revelation to the chosen people of God. Each of these has one more thing in common; total fulfillment in the New Covenant; a better covenant built on better promises.

There is absolutely no logical or scriptural basis to assume that because tithing occurred outside the Mosaic covenant in the Old Testament that it singularly survived into the New Testament.

Let’s take notice of something important in the descriptions of the various priesthoods described in Hebrews 7.

The Levitical priesthood received tithes and it is specifically mentioned that it does

Melchisedec received tithes and it is specifically mentioned that he did.

Jesus, our high priest has no mention of receiving tithes.

But you say, Jesus’ priesthood was after the order of Melchisedec. But not in the receiving of tithes. In the comparison of the two priesthoods, Jesus and Melchisedec, tithing is not mentioned as a similarity. In fact, the only reason tithing is mentioned when speaking of Melchisedec is to demonstrate to the Hebrew readers, that Melchisedec’s priesthood was on a higher level than the Levitical priesthood because Levi, in Abraham’s loins paid tithes to Melchisedec. This was not an example of tithing being brought into the priesthood of Jesus, but a proof that Jesus’ priesthood was higher than the Levitical priesthood because it was after the order of Melchisedec and the priesthood of Melchisedec was higher than that of the Levites (because Levi- still in the loins of Abram, paid tithes to Mechizadek).

Abram and Melchizedek- The Pattern We Should Follow?

But for the sake of argument, let’s assume that new covenant tithing was to be based on Abram’s record of paying tithes to Melchisedec.

Genesis 14:17-24 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s valley). Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God most high, and he blessed Abram saying,
“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth,
And blessed be God Most High,
who delivered your enemies into your hand.”
Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything. The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and give me the goods for yourself.” But Abram said to the King of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the Lord, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, and have taken an oath that I will accept nothing belonging to you, not even a thread or the thong of a sandal, so that you will never be able to say, “I made Abram rich.” I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me-to Aner, Eschol and Mamre. Let them have their share.

Now if we were to base tithing on this pattern, what would be our duty?

1. Tithe only once in our lives.
That’s right, this is the only record of Abram ever paying tithes. In fact this is the only record of the word “tithe”, “tithes”, “tithing” or “tithed” until Leviticus Chapter 27.
2. Tithe only after a great victory and then only after receiving a blessing.
This wasn’t a routine payment of ten percent of annual income. This was honor bestowed upon a priest after he had blessed Abram.
3. Tithe before you have made covenant with God.
There’s a reason Abram is called Abram here. It’s not until the next chapter that God makes covenant with him and changes his name to Abraham. In fact Abram isn’t even credited with righteousness until the next chapter. So, to accurately follow this pattern, we must only tithe before we have a covenant relationship with God.
Genesis 15:6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
4. Use somebody else’s money to pay the tithe.
Abram says he will not take anything that belongs to the King of Sodom. These were not his possessions he gave to Melchizedek. In fact, if we say that they are Abram’s possessions, we must add yet another item to the tithing pattern we are adopting here; we are allowed to break a vow to God to obtain our tithe.

If the tithe is carried forward into the New Testament because of the example of Abram paying tithes to Melchizedek, we need to reexamine our understanding of what that pattern is. As a pattern, there are definitely some inconsistencies with the way the tithe is taught today.

The Levitical Tithe- What Does the Scripture Really Say?

Let’s take a look at some scriptures concerning the tithe.

Numbers 14:22-29 (NIV) Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose for a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

I’ve got to admit. This scripture surprised me. I had always believed, had always been taught that tithing to the Levites was an annual event. That each year ten percent of the increase was delivered to the priests for their sustenance.

But that’s not the way it was. Only every third year was a tenth delivered to the priests. The other years the people of Israel were told to consume (at least a part of) the tithe on themselves and their family as a remembrance of the Lord.

I have heard many sermons preached on consuming the tithe on yourself, but never was it taught as a positive scripturally-sound practice.

Deuteronomy 26:12-15 When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. Then say to the Lord your God: “I have removed from my house the sacred portion and have given it to the Levite, alien, the fatherless and the widow, according to all you commanded. I have not turned aside from your commands nor have I forgotten any of them. I have not eaten any of the sacred portion while I was in mourning, nor have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor have I offered any of it to the dead. I have obeyed the Lord my God; I have done everything you have commanded me. Look down from heaven, your holy dwelling place, and bless your people Israel and the land you have given us as you promised on oath to our forefathers, a land flowing with milk and honey.

So, technically, if the Levitical law of the tithe passed to the new covenant, we need only bring the tithe into the storehouse every third year. And even then we must by law pass some of it to the alien fatherless and widow. Now that’s not a tithing sermon you hear very often is it.

Now let’s look at some New Testament verses concerning widows.

I Timothy 5:4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

I Timothy 5:16 If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need.

Why would the church not accept its responsibility to help all widows if the believers were bringing tithes in? Was the first century church misappropriating funds? Were they asking these believers to pay for the support of widows in their families twice; once in the tithe and then again in these verses? And why, if the believers were not tithing is there no instruction to do so. Could it be that since the tithe did not carry over into the new covenant, people needed to be reminded of their social obligations as Christians?

And why if the first century church was tithing did Paul go on to say a few verses later . . .

I Timothy 5:17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.

If the tithe was coming in, why would Paul have to remind these believers of the fact that a preacher deserves his pay. And if the tithe was key to financial blessing, and failure to pay tithes caused a believer to be guilty of robbing God as we often hear quoted from Malachi;

Malachi 3:8-10 Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
But you ask How do we rob you?
In tithes and offerings. You are under a curse-the whole nation of you-because you are robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the Lord Almighty. And see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

Why would Paul refuse the Corinthians the blessing God wanted to confer on them by refusing to take money when he brought them the gospel. In fact, if he did not allow them to pass the tithe to him did he not, by law, cause them to be cursed.

I Corinthians 9:7-12 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk? Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn’t the law say the same thing? For it is written in the law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned? Surely he says this for us doesn’t he? Yes this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

Why, if Paul is establishing his right (which he does not exercise) to receive pay for bringing the gospel message does he not mention the tithe? Because it had passed away with the sacrifice of Jesus. Further, take notice of what principle he does refer to; seed time and harvest.

The Levites not only had a right to accept the tithe (every third year), they had a responsibility to do so. Imagine, under the law trying to present your tithe and the priest refusing to accept it. You were cursed. Under the law, wanting to tithe didn’t cut it. The tithe had to be paid. Paul, if he believed the tithe had carried over from the old covenant to the new covenant would not have had the option of refusing to accept payment from the Corinthians. He would have been placing a curse on them.

But the reference in Malachi is one of the best arguments that the tithe did not carry over into the new covenant. Let’s look at it again in light of some other references.

Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people, according to the law.

Two important notes:
1. The priests were commanded to take tithes; it was not an option such as Paul exercised in not receiving money in Corinth.
2. The authority came from the law.

Now lets reread our reference in Malachi.

Malachi 3:8-10 Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
But you ask How do we rob you?
In tithes and offerings. You are under a curse-the whole nation of you-because you are robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the Lord Almighty. And see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

By not paying tithes, they were under a curse.

So, the tithe was part of the law and by not paying them there was a curse. We might even say that not paying tithes would place a person under the curse of the law.

If tithing is part of the new covenant, the curse for not tithing would of necessity be part of the new covenant as well. But the authority for the tithe came through the law as we read in Hebrews. Therefore the authority for the curse would be founded in that same law. Yet we see that:

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

So if we are redeemed from the curse of the law, obviously the curse associated with tithing cannot be present today. And it is in reference to the nation of Israel being under the curse of the law for not tithing that God tells them to bring the whole tithe into the storehouse so there is food in the temple.

But the lack of mention in the New Testament concerning tithing does not dismiss it from the New Covenant automatically. If tithing were fulfilled in the death of Jesus, we should be able to understand some sense of typology concerning the tithe.

Patterning Ourselves After What?

If the pattern found in the Levitical tithe is not the pattern, and the pattern found in the Abrahamic example is not our pattern, there must exist another pattern for the New Testament church.

So, let’s examine every mention of words that begin with “tith” in the New Testament. Don’t worry, it won’t take long.

Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint dill and cum min. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter without neglecting the former.

(Luke 11:42 offers an almost exact duplicate of this reference so for the sake of brevity I am listing the reference here parenthetically.) In his own remarks, Jesus teaches us here that the tithe was part of the law. But was he passing the tithe forward into the new covenant here? Not unless ceremonial washing practices were to be passed along also. Let’s read the next verse.

Matthew 23:24 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

Was Jesus suggesting that dish washing was to be carried into the new covenant? No. In fact, he was pointing out in several examples how the teachers of the law and Pharisees were so careful about unimportant ceremonial acts while ignoring the heart change those acts were supposed to remind them of and instill. He demonstrates by showing how unimportant the first item is in comparison to the second item how they should have been concentrating on the second item instead.

Surely Jesus says they shouldn’t have neglected tithing here; they were still living under the Mosaic covenant. But that in no way suggests that this ceremonial act was to be carried forward.

Luke 18:11-14 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying God be merciful to me a sinner.

Here Jesus uses tithing as an example of something a person might wrongly assume indicated proper relationship with God; and this was while tithing was still in effect. Jesus makes a point of showing that outward religious activities do not necessarily reflect what is going on in the heart of men. This is certainly not a proof text for tithing in the new covenant.

There are four other references in the New Testament, and they have been quoted earlier in this work. Hebrews 7:5,6,8,9. Each of these verses refers back to either the Levitical priesthood collecting tithes, or the instance of Abram paying tithes to Melchisedec. We have already discussed these references in detail, but I wanted to mention them in this exhaustive study of the word tithe in the New Testament.

So, that’s it. Surprised? I was. Not one single mention in the Pauline epistles (I am among those who don’t believe Paul wrote Hebrews) of tithing. Not one single reference to tithing in any of the books which were written to correct error in the first century church.

Historical Evidence

Now let’s switch gears for a moment and look at church history. Where did the early New Testament church meet? In the temple. And if they met in the temple and they did pay tithes, to whom did the tithes go? The priests in the temple of course. So, if I’m going to pay tithes, there is historical precedence that I should be paying them to a Levite. But of course, I have a new high priest, who is contrasted to the Levites who, described in Hebrews 7:5 as “sons of Levi who receive the priest’s office have a commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people”. But in describing the priesthood of Jesus, no mention of tithing appears. If the absence of the tithe were not intended to contrast with the collecting of tithes in the old covenant, the author would have done well to not mention the receipt of tithes by the Levitical priests.

But the absence of tithing is notable in other places as well. Let’s see what the early church fathers had to say concerning the Gentiles who were coming to God. Keep in mind that these were people who had no historical tradition of tithing. These were people who before coming to Jesus were pagans, worshipers of idols, followers of multiple gods. These were people who were being coerced into following the law of the Old Testament by Jewish believers.

Acts 15:19,20 Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood

Acts 15:28, 29 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things you will do well.

Keep in mind this was in answer to people saying the new believers should be circumcised and obey the Law of Moses. You would think that if the tithe were passed to the new covenant this would be a good time to mention it. As it stands, the sum total of the burden of Judaism the first century church was willing to lay upon the shoulders of the Gentile believers did not include tithing. And it is worth noting that this seemed good to the Holy Spirit as well.

Again we see tithing obvious in its absence when laying out the requirements for bishops and deacons in 1 Tim 3.

Above reproach
Husband of one wife
Temperate
Self-controlled
Respectable
Hospitable
Able to teach
Not given to drunkenness
Not violent but gentle
Not quarrelsome
Not a lover of money
Must manage his own family well
See that his children obey him
Not a recent convert
Good reputation with outsiders

But nowhere does it say, “must tithe”

And it’s not because Paul ignores the subject of money here, he says the person must not be a lover of money. It seems an easy thing to mention, “pays tithes as our father Abraham did to Melchisedec.”

And let’s face it, Paul wasn’t one to leave something unmentioned because it was so obvious. Wouldn’t it have been typical of Paul to say something like, ”and concerning tithes I don’t even need to mention this as a requirement. I don’t mention it now because I thought you would appoint someone who didn’t tithe and by so doing bring reproach to your congregation. No, I remember how eagerly you embraced the teaching of the tithe when we were last together and mention it here only to keep it from being a point of contention.”

No, the tithe is noteworthy for it’s absence in the new covenant. Why? Because it was part of the Law that was fulfilled in the death burial resurrection and ascension of Christ just as surely as was the Sabbath and Sacrifices.

Typology- How the Law Points To Christ

I don’t have time or space to get into great detail about typology. Basically typology is the study of Old Testament happenings and ceremonies, and how they point the way to showing Jesus as the Messiah.

What are some examples?

The Israelites put blood on the doorposts and lintels when the firstborn was killed in Egypt. This was a type of the blood of Jesus saving us from spiritual death.

Abraham offering up Isaac was a type of God offering up his firstborn son.

So, if the tithe is part of the law fulfilled in the death of Jesus, we should see be able to how the tithe, a type and shadow of things to come, was fulfilled and demonstrated in the new covenant sacrifice.

The same penalty for redeeming the firstborn from dedication to the Lord was applied to redeeming the tithe.

Leviticus 27:31 If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it.

Leviticus 27:26,27 No one however may dedicate the firstborn of an animal, since the firstborn already belongs to the Lord; whether an ox or a sheep it is the Lord’s. If it is one of the unclean animals, he may buy it back at its set value, adding a fifth of the value to it. If he does not redeem it, it is to be sold at its set value.

And not only does the same penalty apply, they are in the same section of the law. We no longer view the firstborn of our livestock to belong to the Lord under the law do we? Why then would we consider the tithe to be in effect? No, the tithe was the first and smaller portion, offered to God to convey the blessing on the larger portion. Sounds a lot like the sacrifice of Jesus doesn’t it. It should, that’s where it was fulfilled.

And while looking at this law of the tithe, let’s contrast it to a well-known New Testament verse on giving. Now I know this is a bit unfair to tithing proponents because they don’t really have any New Testament references to support their view. But let’s look anyway.

II Corinthians 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Now tell me how, if I must give every tenth animal that passes under the staff to God, as the tithe required, if I must offer every firstborn animal to God; if I must pay a premium to keep that which has been required by the law; how can I give only what I have decided in my heart not under compulsion.

Anyway you slice it, “Tithe or be under a curse” is compulsion.

Now I know there is an argument that this verse is speaking about giving above and beyond the tithe. I have heard the argument that this verse is referring to giving, but the tithe isn’t giving because it already belongs to God. I can find no New Testament support for this argument.

Let’s Not Stand on Ceremony

So then what am I saying? Am I saying don’t tithe? Yes I am. In fact, if we do tithe, if we do claim this part of the law to be required under the new covenant, do we not require all parts of the law to be obeyed? And if not, how then do we determine which portions of the law should be obeyed and which need not be?

Must I observe holy days and feasts found in the Old Covenant? Surely not. We understand these observances to be part of the ceremonial law, which pointed to the sacrifice of Jesus. We understand that they are mere foreshadowing of the work completed at Calvary. We no longer offer our firstborn livestock. Why then would we offer our first fruits in the tithe?

When we instruct people to tithe, we are burdening them with the entire law, for unless the whole law is kept, the whole law is broken.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

If Jesus, the first fruits of salvation, offered to redeem the larger portion, is our tithe; if we continue to tithe are we not insulting the sacrifice on the cross as not being complete just as surely as we would if we continued to offer blood sacrifices to God. For if the offering was complete and perfect why then we would we stand making less than perfect offerings still?

Hebrews 10:11-14 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties, again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect those who are being made holy.

If the tithe was not fulfilled in this sacrifice, we must obey the letter of the law concerning the tithe; and every other redemptive ceremony that was handed down to Moses in the law.

Seed Time and Harvest

But while I am telling you not to tithe, do not equate that with me telling you not to give. Or more accurately do not equate that with me telling you not to sow.

So now we’ve come full circle. We have returned to the promise found in Genesis 8.

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest

The law of seedtime and harvest is the law promised to remain as long as the earth remains. That the tithe doesn’t carry that promise should in and of itself make it easier to grasp that it was intended to pass away.

So, will I ever tithe again? No. Even if I give more than 10% of my increase; I will never tithe again. Will I sow financial seed into the Kingdom of God? Most assuredly. but I will not take on the burden of a law system that was fulfilled by the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ.

Let’s carry this a bit further. I personally found it necessary to repent from tithing. It became apparent to me that tithing was potentially an insult to the perfect sacrifice Jesus had made on the cross. Oh, I never intended to insult Christ in my tithe, and certainly God understands that. But after studying the subject, it became apparent to me, that while I don’t believe God took any offense to me tithing, from a strict theological view it was an affront to Christ. I merely expressed to God that as He was already aware, it was not my intention to besmirch or belittle the completeness of Jesus’ sacrifice and asked His forgiveness for any insult that may have been implied. God knew my heart then and God knows my heart now. I will continue to sow seed, but I will not associate myself with tithing any more.
54 posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:04:25 AM by will of the people


9 posted on 10/28/2011 12:43:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Grunthor

“Mormons require you to prove your income level to the church?”

Nope, it’s a liar’s lie. Latter-day Saints may optionally declare in a short, concise, meeting if they fall into one of three groups:

1) Full tithe payer,
2) Partial tithe payer
3) Non tithe payer.

Tithing in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is defined as “One tenth of one’s increase.” There is no stipulation of gross or net income, return on investments, or ANY OTHER DEFINITION. People may have their own definitions, but that is an individual making up an answer that is neither cannon, nor practice. Bishops (LDS Clergymen) hand you a sheet of paper that shows a record of your charitable contributions. They ask if it looks accurate to you. You can say “Yes,” “No,” or “I’ll get back to you” (Or whatever you choose, since you decide to arrange a meeting or not in the first place). None of your records need to be brought in (nor should be unless you decide to reference them), nor would any amount of “proving” be appropriate.

If a person does not schedule a meeting, then the best effort is made to contact the person who is on the membership rolls. If they cannot be contacted to attend the meeting, or choose not to, the once per year audit must be done to the best of the clergy’s ability.

Pretending that you have to have a IRS like audit is not only a lie, it’s particularily stupid of the disingenuous to perpetuate. It’s simple to debunk. And now it has been. Netiehr is there a “tithing bill” but a blank slip may be brought once a month on the first Sunday of the month, and you have the option to donate or not. The purpose of this bill is known as “Fast Offering” and accompanies the once per month fast which is performed Church wide to give to the needy and pay for church assistance program. It is entirely optional.

Hope that helps you understand the process.

If anyone else has any legitimate questions, they can feel free to FReepmail me privately, and I’ll answer. The truth about tithing settlement has already been stated, so I’ll ignore the vapid posts that so frequently attend these fantasy threads.


10 posted on 10/28/2011 12:46:56 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Grunthor

“I guess I’d have to say that any religion that requires me to tell my Pastor or his boss what my annual household income is, is one that I would avoid as if it were some kind of nutty cult.”

Fortunately, that’s not the case with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so there’s no need to stoop to the level of ignorance embodied by the slanderers who (fortunately) have failed to make any progress in their 180 years of attempted destruction of a religion.


11 posted on 10/28/2011 12:49:35 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Graybeard58

The LDS is acting un-American and un-Mormon these days in a desperate pursuit of new members and profits. I have a friend with a Fortune 100 company who recently canceled a multi-million dollar contract with a LDS bigshot who directed the SLC Chamber to support amnesty for illegals. He is telling everyone he knows to boycott LDS-owned businesses and the Utah Chamber members until they drop their disgusting support for amnesty.


12 posted on 10/28/2011 1:00:29 PM PDT by montag813
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To: JDW11235; Grunthor
Fortunately, that’s not the case with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so there’s no need to stoop to the level of ignorance embodied by the slanderers who (fortunately) have failed to make any progress in their 180 years of attempted destruction of a religion.

Are you saying that the L.D.S. Bishop who wrote this article for LDS.org is a slanderer and a liar?

13 posted on 10/28/2011 1:08:02 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: SkyDancer

Sorry. BS. I pay 10% “off the top” each month and do it before paying any bill, but tithing is not a bill.


14 posted on 10/28/2011 1:16:29 PM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Graybeard58

Are you saying that the L.D.S. Bishop who wrote this article for LDS.org is a slanderer and a liar?

Since you seem to feel something is in that article that I haven’t found, would you mind pointing it out?

Logic would indicate, that a Bishop with rudimentary math skills is going to be able to easily guess a range of income of anyone who is honestly declaring themselves a full tithe payer.

That said, there is no asking or telling of income levels, just as JDW11235 has stated.


15 posted on 10/28/2011 1:16:55 PM PDT by wita
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To: Pecos

If it comes in the mail and you have to pay it, it’s a bill. It’s not voluntary with the LDS.


16 posted on 10/28/2011 1:17:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Pilot: n. The Highest Form Of Life On Earth)
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To: losrac

No, I was living with them and they were sharing their belief in Mormonism. They showed me their tithe bill. I asked why they had to pay it and they said in order to be able to attend temple ceremonies they had to be current in everything to do with the LDS religion. Okay?????????


18 posted on 10/28/2011 1:25:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Pilot: n. The Highest Form Of Life On Earth)
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To: Graybeard58
At this time, I ask any ex morms here whether they were ever required to prove their income to the church.

As a SAHM, I had no income to tithe on...however I think the important question that is not being addressed here is...In mormon belief, if you have not paid your required tithing and during tithing settlement (do other churches require you to attend a "tithing settlement"?) you do not vow that you HAVE paid the requisite tithing, will you be allowed to enter the mormon temple in order to take part in the necessary rituals and man-made covenants that will allow you to reach exaltation (mormon equivalent of salvation)?

The answer is NO!

The important question to ask here is, is full payment of tithing coerced by the mormon church? It is if you wish to be "saved".

The implication is always there that GOD will know if you lie about paying your full tithe and the rituals and covenants will be invalidated and the doors of salvation closed to you.

19 posted on 10/28/2011 1:38:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)
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To: wita; Godzilla; SkyDancer; SZonian; colorcountry; SENTINEL
Logic would indicate, that a Bishop with rudimentary math skills is going to be able to easily guess a range of income of anyone who is honestly declaring themselves a full tithe payer.

What business is it of ANY church if you are "declaring yourself a FULL TITHEPAYER??? I know of no Christian denomination that has that as doctrine.

20 posted on 10/28/2011 1:44:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Exactly, Mormonism teaches that paying the tithe is an eternal law that is required for salvation.

“The law of tithing is an eternal law. The Lord Almighty never had his kingdom on the earth without the law of tithing being in the midst of his people, and he never will. It is an eternal law that God has instituted for the benefit of the human family, for their salvation and exaltation.” (Journal of Discourses 14:89.)

By contrast, Christianity teaches that we are to be good stewards of the resources that God has put under our control (Matthew 25: 14-30), but we are not required to pay a certain percentage of our profit or to declare our faithfulness to a church leader.


21 posted on 10/28/2011 1:46:40 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: JDW11235

Well I wasn’t calling your religion nutty. I was saying that IF each member were required to disclose their income....if not, then at least THAT part is not nutty. I admittedly do not know enough from objective sources about your religion to form that opinion at this point.


22 posted on 10/28/2011 1:48:03 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Graybeard58
Great are the blessings that come to those who faithfully pay tithing and to those who faithfully attend tithing settlement.

Great is LDS, Inc's BILLIONS!!

23 posted on 10/28/2011 1:48:24 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: JDW11235
Two questions.

How much does LDS, Inc have in assets and cash?

And if you know that answer does it bother you or not?

24 posted on 10/28/2011 1:56:34 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: Graybeard58
Yes. We routinely told folks to bring in Tax returns to compare against tithing records when I was in the bishopric. This is so commonplace that many folks just show up with tax returns or paycheck stubs. Temple recommends were often renewed at the tithing settlement, and the implication was intended.

Of course we also taught that those without current temple recommends would be burned to death at the second coming, it was the one and only requirement to be spared.

Doctrine and Covenants 64:23
23 Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.

25 posted on 10/28/2011 2:03:37 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Graybeard58
No tithing was for the Levitt's because they were without an inheritance when they came to the promised land. It's not for the church the preacher or the priest.
27 posted on 10/28/2011 5:50:44 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Graybeard58
An audit of our personal records. If we have not taken time to review our records of contributions to the Church, how do we know they are correct? A few years ago, at our year-end review of our contributions, my wife and I discovered that a check for tithing we thought we had written in July had never been given to the Church. We corrected that error immediately.
 
 
(Don't balance your checkbook very often; do you?)
 
 

After commanding His people to pay tithes, the Lord promised...  

(Oh???)     Acts 15:28-29) 
 
 
 
 
 
http://lds.org/liahona/2000/12/the-significance-of-tithing-settlement?lang=eng

28 posted on 10/29/2011 4:06:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JDW11235
Hope that helps you understand the process.

Ok; so much for the process.




What are the SPIRITUAL ramifications of being in one of these 3 groups to a MORMON??

1) Full tithe payer,

2) Partial tithe payer

3) Non tithe payer.

29 posted on 10/29/2011 4:11:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JDW11235
A family home evening would be a good time to talk about how the Church uses tithing and to help children prepare their own records for this meeting with the bishop.

Hecky durn!

THIS would make a REALLY good topic right here!!

30 posted on 10/29/2011 4:13:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JDW11235
A family home evening would be a good time to talk about how the Church uses tithing and to help children prepare their own records for this meeting with the bishop.

Oh; so the CHILDREN need to brings 'records' to the bishop, but the PARENTS don't.

Gotcha...

31 posted on 10/29/2011 4:14:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JDW11235
An important part of those audit procedures is to have us check whether our personal records match the Church’s records. We can check whether our contributions were properly distributed in the categories we selected on our donation slips.

Um...

Those 'categories' were selected FOR you; then you get to pick between them. And no; you CANNOT check to see if they were 'properly distributed'; unless you gave MORE than the amount indicated in a certain category and the odds of that are, well, slim.

32 posted on 10/29/2011 4:19:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Graybeard58
...the members of the audit committee are “of the opinion that …

O...

K...


War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

33 posted on 10/29/2011 4:22:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Grunthor
Well I wasn’t calling your religion nutty.

But; if the shoe fits...

34 posted on 10/29/2011 4:31:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Grunthor
I admittedly do not know enough from objective sources about your religion to form that opinion at this point.

Well; I can tell you right now, not to trust those objective sources. They probably hate us. Go HERE for the TRUTH about MORMONism!

LDS.ORG

--MormonDude(It'll tell you everything you need to know...)

35 posted on 10/29/2011 4:34:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SENTINEL
...he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.


HMMmmm...

Just WHERE have I heard something similar??


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.

36 posted on 10/29/2011 4:38:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: losrac

I’m not. The original post characterized things as a “bill”, which I was trying to correct. Nothing more.


37 posted on 11/04/2011 7:14:52 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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