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Posted on 10/31/2011 8:54:35 PM PDT by delacoert
How about 13 year old Eagle Scouts? ;^)
I was involved in a discussion with an LdS Scouter last night who, in his zeal to promote LdS Scouting, used the example of a 13 year old "Eagle" to try and make his point.
However, I do have to give Scoutmaster's post a big bump. What he says is absolutely correct.
I have learned to "categorize" Scouts 3 ways;
1. those who are gung-ho, love Scouting and are Eagle bound,
2. those who enjoy it, want to be with friends, but are not rank motivated, and
3. those who are there only because parent(s) make them attend.
The first two are easy to work with, the third, not so much, but try and teach them the values contained within the Oath and Law.
That's why I enjoy being a leader so much, so many types of Scouts and just as many ways to have an impact on their lives.
“Didn’t you say on FR these things were said about Catholics?”
Yes. By a small % of nonCatholic Christians, I have observed. what have you observed on the matter?
“Didn’t you say that lds never say these things about Catholics?
I said I have have never seen LDS say these thing on FR. Have you?
I was pointing out that the very foundation of lds is anti-Catholic/Christian.
Catholics are Christian. And I was just pointing out my observations as well, like we all do on FR.
“The post is not about Jefress, it is about mormonISM.”
The first sentence of the article is about Jeffress. I simply used DR. Jeffress to illustrate my point that there are some nonCatholic Christians who seem to agree with J. Smith about the Catholic Church, to a freeper who pointed out that the lDS say the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon.
FReegards
Excellent!
Scouts (and the Amish) will inherit the Earth.
Oh... Hillybilly Hand Fishers will too!
There's an immense joy in working with a Scout who falls into that category #3 and finding one thing about Scouting that he enjoys, or that he would enjoy. Then, in a Scoutmaster conference, letting him know that you're never going to pressure him to earn a rank or a merit badge, but that you'll move mountains to make certain he can do one thing as long as he meets the requirements.
I had a Scout once who was only interested in the one thing that interests all new Scouts - fire.
He worked with one of our crusty old Scoutmasters until he could start a fire with a wet sock in a rainstorm. Then he learned a dozen interesting ways to start fires - all working with a designated Assistant Scoutmaster. 0000 steel wool and the battery from a Mini-Mag flashlight. Half a ping-pong ball and a couple of drops of glycerine. Some dry grass in the reflector of an Army surplus L-shaped flashlight (those reflectors are magic). The you-can't-blow-me-out birthday candles.
The Scout finished by making a presentation to the rest of the Troop that amazed all of the Scouts and half of the Assistant Scoutmasters.
At the next campout, Providence prevailed and it rained. He wound up helping almost every patrol start their fire.
From that point on, he was hooked on Scouting and his interest blossomed into other areas.
He didn't reach Eagle. He aged out at 18 as a Star Scout.
Those are the success stories you keep you going.
I can't really begin to answer that one MHG - such things are on an individual by individual basis.
I have trouble within my program with 14 yr old GMA (Gold Medal of Achievement) earners. Somehow when our progam went through a transition 9 years ago, our national office forgot that most boys are not mature enough by the end of 8th grade to have really EARNED this award, and they left little in the plans for the next age group to continue to work towards it.
For both programs the emphasis must remain on build character into the boys that will carry through to adulthood - regardless of rank attained.
Indeed these are. There is a boy in another city, black, single parent home in the bad part of town. The ranger commanders there got him going to rangers and church. He eventually was inducted into Frontiersman camping fellowship - similar to the OA. It was raining that night and he looked like a drown rat wondering what he got himself into. Fast forward 9 years later, he is a National FCF Scout for our area (after serving 2 years as Territorial Scout) and is an inspiration to younger boys in the district and territory. It was my pleasure to be his booshway when he earned his Wilderness level in FCF (equivalent to Vigil honor).
He was a boy the world would have nothing to do with and statistically his circumstances would have had him moving into a life within gangs and crime. It is working with the boys that make it all worth while.
IMHO, when a person places himself above God, and relies upon his own works, oaths and covenants of righteousness for his eternity, then he no longer believes in Christ. This can happen in any “religion,” not just Mormonism.
However, in Mormonism this belief in works to attain Godhood has reached a pinnacle of self-worship, and denigrates Jesus’ ultimate sacrifice and saving Grace.
I’ve learned over the years to accept that I may never know the impact I’ve had on a Scout’s life.
I just pray that it’s a good one. It’s about all I can hope for.
Glad to see that you were able to see your sapling bear fruit, good fruit.
LOL, actually the kid is the size of a moose. You ought to hear him when he gets his preach on.
bttt
Let’s do it this way, when you learn about mormonISM get back to me.
“Let’s do it this way, when you learn about mormonISM get back to me.”
I’m not sure what for. You posted to me first. And I answered every time. What have I said about Mormonism on this thread that doesn’t meet your approval?
Freegards
bttt
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