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To: Colofornian

There are victims everywhere Colofornia.

It is pretty shameful of you, IMHO, to try and lump all LDS members on this forum into a category where you indicate that we “don’t care,” that we “ignore it,” that we somehow turn away from it.

That simply is not true, for me personally of for most of the members of our Church I know...and for that matter of any other that I am aware of and whom I know personally.

Like all large organizations (in this particular case numbering over 15 million) there is good and bad. We have sexual predators amongst us just like can be found in any other. There are Bishops who do not do their duty to their flock...to their members. There are members who do the same.

There was a Stake President from Montana who came to Boise Idaho a few years ago and was arrested because he was planning to meet an underage girl for sex...except “she” was an undercover policeman and the perptrator was nabbed and ended up going to prison.

I believe there were threads on FR about it at the time. I said then and will say now. I knew that individual personally. He had at one time been our Bishop. I one time talked to him directly about my own concerns about my own underage children at the time...daughters and sons...and indicated to him that if someone ever sexually abused one of my children I would kill that person...and rid society of worrying about them doing it again...even though it may be considered wrong.

He advised me at the time that I would deprive my family of my presence through years when they would need me. I indicated I understood that and it was a hard thing...but that I did not think I would be able to help myself...amnd would, with a clear conscience throw myself willingly on a jury of my peers and accept their verdict.

Later I wondered if my discussion with him may have helped ensure that he did not try with my kids what he was ultimately arrested and incarcerated for.

Victims of any crime, and particularly child victims of sexual abuse need our love and our protection. It is a moral imperatvie on all of us as individuals if we know of it or see it to help those being abused and see that justice is served on the abusers.

That imperative should know no religious, political, national, geographical or other bounds.


19 posted on 11/16/2011 12:44:52 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
There are victims everywhere Colofornia.

Agreed. And as we've seen with Penn State, sometimes there are more enablers in certain places than others.

For example this thread. Even you haven't specifically addressed the Mormon bishop enabler who's the topic of this thread...yet you somehow found plenty of opportunity to comment on the Penn State enablers.

Interesting.

(Yes you very broadly may have in some hidden way lumped him in when you said: "There are Bishops who do not do their duty to their flock..."

That hardly ranks with your sharp to-the-point statements you've made about the Penn State enablers this week. So you see what I mean? You rush in to say "that's not true" and then you prove that I'm on to something in a distinct way...in that you don't apparently wish to talk about THIS specific bishop that THIS specific thread is about. Why not?

It is pretty shameful of you, IMHO, to try and lump all LDS members on this forum into a category where you indicate that we “don’t care,” that we “ignore it,” that we somehow turn away from it. That simply is not true...

Jeff, do you know how many threads I've posted re: Lds abuse victims?

Alright, that's a rhetorical Q. (I don't even know)

But a fair number. I wish I could say that for every Lds FREEPER post mentioning an Lds victim, that there were "only" 20 posts about me -- the thread-poster. But I don't think I can...because I think your post here was the first that got Lds FREEPERS out of the zero category...and zero can't be multiplied and represented in ratios like 15 to 1 or 20 to 1.

But that's my point Jeff. Why do Lds threads about Lds perpetrators and Lds victims often become attempted hijacks about whoever posted the article?

As for the rest of your post, I appreciate you sharing the abuse story you told. You are a cut above other Mormon FREEPERS in integrity.

20 posted on 11/16/2011 1:40:12 PM PST by Colofornian (JoePologists: Those who defend the personality cults of Joe Smith and Joe Paterno)
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