Hear Evolutionists/Atheists Themselves on Evil & Ethics (like Rape for Instance)

Religio-Poltical Talk (RPT) ^ | 11-21-2011 | Papa Giorgio

[OldNavyVet]

The word “belief” stands out in the discussion, and Dawkins doesn’t seem to pick up on it ... and note that beliefs belong in church.

[SeanG200]

What do you mean OldNavy?

[Westbrook]

The Bible of the Atheists is Darwin's tome, originally titled, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

The title explains everything you need to know about why communists and atheists have such a low regard for life. Except their own, of course, because they have "evolved" to the highest level. The rest of us are throwbacks.

[tacticalogic]

The title explains everything you need to know about why communists and atheists have such a low regard for life.

I'm skeptical of anyone who tells me "this is all you need to know".

It always seems to turn out to be "this is all I want you to know", and there was quite a bit more to it than they were telling me.

[OldNavyVet]

The loaded question about rape contains the word "belief," and Dawkins' response was .... "You can say that."

The fact is that the questioner could say that, did say that, and Dawkins' was simply polite.

Dawkins passed on debating beliefs.

[MetaThought]

Well, rape has been treated differently in different places, and different times, even considering only Christian countries.

[Darkwolf377]

Good point. As an atheist who`s often blasted for being pro-life, I can say that those who say `all you need to know about atheists` are no different from the atheists who say `all you need to know about Christians.` Both sides do themselves no favors with such silly reductions. Knowing the details and the full mindsets is the key to true understanding, even with one who believes something you don`t. [Shockingly, atheists are as varied as Christians in terms of their individual beliefs—moreso, since being a non-believer in God means one could believe in any number of things a stranger couldn`t presume just by hearing one is an atheist.]

[OldNavyVet]

Darwins' final sentence in his masterpiece reads as follows.

“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”

[jacknhoo]

"Hear Evolutionists/Atheists Themselves on Evil & Ethics (like Rape for Instance)" Bump for later. Already, iI have tolerated my niece in her attempt to explain to me how I took religion too far and needed to, in her text, "GET OVER YOURSELF"(because I post religious articles on my facebook page). She explained how I should post "normal" things that people aren't offended to read. And how religion is simply man concocted to oppress people. That's enough atheism for me today.

[YHAOS]

“I don’t believe that there are any axiological claims which are absolutely true, except within the context of one person’s opinion.”

Does this include the axiological claim that there are no axiological claims that are absolutely true?

They’re at it again BEEP!

[whattajoke]

The title explains everything you need to know...

LOL, really? Because I'm quite sure "all you needed to know" you found on some creationist website or tract that absurdly and quite incorrectly focused on the word "races" and twisted the title into some Nazi/Racist festishist dream.

Of course, since that misinformation is not "all you need to know," I'll simply note that "races" in mid-19th century biological terms meant, quite clearly for those of us who have read and studied such things, "species." In fact, Darwin focused on the "races" of barnacles and worms far more than he did on primate evolution.

Now go forth and ignore this for the 800th time you've been told it.

[hosepipe]

Jesus invented evolution when he said “You MUST be born again”..
I suppose humans CAN evolve.. from a worm to a butterfly..

Marx said... why evolve... embrace being a worm..
So socialists learned to be Tape Worms on an economy.. parasites.. intestinal malefactors..

[SampleMan]

Logically Darwinian morals can only be focused on individual reproduction and self-promotion. What else matters in a strictly Darwinian world?

The perception of altruism might be useful, but only the perception, and only to the point when its not useful.

Darwinian morals means smothering grandma when no one is looking, and then crying loudly.

[metmom]

Atheists and evos ping

[MrB]

Caterpillar to butterfly change is not evolution,
though you might find some evos that point to this as “evidence”...

It is “metamorphosis”, and a very passable analogy for being born again.

[YHAOS]

“Marx said... why evolve... embrace being a worm..”

Good concept (chuckle), a sound understanding. Why bother with issues of ethics or morality, when you have scientific texts on theories and hypothesizes as your guide.

[YHAOS]

“Atheists and evos ping”

Is that anything like Dungeons and Dragons? (grin)

[hosepipe]

[ Caterpillar to butterfly change is not evolution, ]

Sure it is.. evolution is not evolution...
Nothing has been proven to have evolved.. in the classic sense..
Vegetarian finches becoming meat eaters is not evolution..
And Wolves becoming Labrador retrievers is not evolution..
Neanderthal’s becoming Homo Sapiens didn’t happen either.. most likely..

IF the third human on this planet did not come from two others..
THEN; bodacious Yarn must be constructed.. and it was..
Explaining where the third human came from becomes then the primary problem..

Then Science Fiction must be invented because Sci-Fi MUST be very logical.. else whats the point..
Reality need not be logical to humans at all.. it has nothing to prove..

Is science “fiction”?....
Well some of it is... else relativity and quantum doodads would correlate.. they don’t..
Humans have a hell of a time mouthing “I just don’t know”...

The third human on this planet came from TWO OTHERS....
OK.. there I said it..

[spirited irish]

“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”

Dawkins “masterpiece” is not empiricism but Science Fiction Mythology. Dawkins has cleverly spun a scientistic tale about deified Life, magic(Life’s several powers breathed into a few forms), Life’s “creative power”-—evolution and above all, Dawkins religiously held “belief” in the “inventions of his own imagination:”

Imagine There’s No God.....Only Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2787047/posts

Those who debunk supernaturalism invariably substitute something similarly transcendent, as Dawkins has done.

As for belief, Dawkins obviously “believes” his own inventions else he’d not publish them for the edification of his followers.