Posted on 11/21/2011 11:50:12 AM PST by Pyro7480
I don’t insist on the term Yes, it could have the meaning you ascribe. The priest is acting as the agent of Christ. Literally, the hands and voice of Christ.
I am fairly sure the Assyrians would practice communion in the hand, as that was the normative practice throughout the East until the introduction of the communion spoon (properly called “labis”, meaning “tongs” in reference to the passage from Isaiah now quoted after the communions, “lo, this has touched your lips and will purge away all your iniquity”), which I think dates to the 5th century at earliest — though it may have been as late as the 8th.
Of course, I’m not sure whether advising folks who want communion in the hand to become Assyrians is sound advice: they’ll end up venerating Nestorius and Theodore of Mopsuestia as saints.
[:-)==== (Orthodox monastic smiley)
Really? Did they wash their own feet? No, Jesus did it for them.
Exactly! Thank you! Such a move was highly unusual, and noted in detail by the writer of the Gospel! Indeed, it was so unusual, the objection of Peter is highlighted.
Given this detail is LACKING in the inaugural Communion ceremony, we can rightly figure it was done in the normal fashion as other Passover seders.
I appreciate your input.
Interesting. Have you heard of there being more than one Passover meal? :) I have.
Yes!
No, I haven't. Can you tell me more (or provide a link)?
You wrote:
“Given this detail is LACKING in the inaugural Communion ceremony, we can rightly figure it was done in the normal fashion as other Passover seders”
Actually no, we can’t assume that. The nature of the Eucharist was such that few details were recorded. Jesus was always much more hands-on than was common in Jewish society. That doesn’t mean such an instance would have been recorded for the most precious of things.
“Take, eat; this is my body.” Matthew 26:26
I suppose you need to go back to the original text but that sounds like a hand was involved to me.
>>At least we don’t take it from our hand...<<
Well, if the guys in that film are an example of Methodists taking communion, they take it in the face.
Although I’m pretty sure that Hamada is Shinto and Endo is Catholic.
Ping!
>>Really? Did they wash their own feet? No, Jesus did it for them.<<
We have a winner!
A Calvinist novelty? I don’t think so...
Have you noticed the increasing number of Catholics calling for Inquisitions and Monarchy here in America?
Unless they are the Assyrians that are in communion with the Pope. The Chaldeans.
I haven't. When/where has this happened?
>>Have you noticed the increasing number of Catholics calling for Inquisitions and Monarchy here in America? <<
LOLOL! I do love your posts Alex!
Exactly. And whereas modern Americans don't do that kind of thing (except maybe bride and groom with wedding cake), Israelis and Arabs do -- not all the time, but in circumstances of hospitality or friendship. (Ethiopians do too, I hear, at shared meals if there's affection present.)
Of course, we don't know what would have been considered "out of the ordinary" at the time. Modern Passover seders (especially as practiced in America) might not be an infallible guide.
Wow, where have you been? Archaeologists discovered the hammer camera about a decade ago and now realize it was in widespread use for group pictures as early as 90 BC.
It was an hammer an chisel arrangement that you could stand in front of and as someone turned a crank it would rapidly chisel out a pattern of light and dark to recreate what was in front of it on whatever soft rock you put in place on the chisel tray. You could then take a piece of Goat gut, stretch it across the light and dark pattern, and with a roller you would transfer the pattern onto the goat gut. You then dried the goat gut and used it to make images from with any sort of pigment on the gut and fabric as the final media you would put over the gut and again run your little roller across the media to copy the pattern off of the goat gut.
Now the posted image has obviously been colorized and given the darkness of the image, it was probably made from the "instant" version of the camera that worked faster was called the hammeroid. The images weren't quite as good, but the hammeroid was portable so you could photograph things outside of a carefully prepared studio. Weddings, executions, and as we see above, feasts, were all popular subjects for those with hammeroids.
As I recall, someone made a goat gut image of Nero who then outlawed the hammerroid and destroyed all the earlier versions. Otherwise, we'd have a lot more pictures like the one above.
Try and keep up, OK?> /sarc from Wow to OK
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