Posted on 11/21/2011 12:43:59 PM PST by Former Fetus
again, no answer.
for those following along, the answer is obvious - FRIDAY.
ACCORDING TO THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, HERE IS THE BIBLICAL WAY TO COUNT DAYS FOUND IN LUKE 13:
today = wednesday = DAY 1
tomorrow = thursday = DAY 2
the third day = friday = DAY 3
why is this so important?
because there are those that deny Scripture and teach that Jesus was crucified on wednesday at 3:00pm and rose from the dead on the sabbath, which is saturday. according to Jesus and how He counted days, saturday is day 4. the Scriptures are crystal clear, Jesus rose on the third day.
Jesus Christ willingly gave His life on the cross for the sins of the world on Friday and rose from the dead on first fruits, which is Sunday.
Christians have believed this since the first Easter morning for 2,000 years.
the reason people teach this wednesday nonsense is they try to attack the Church and it’s teachings.
please provide chapter and verse where Paul says he still kept the sabbath after coming to faith in Christ.
just one please.
also, please show me where the Gentile converts who had no knowledge of the Jewish sabbath, were instructed they had to keep the 7th day sabbath and why.
just one please.
oh, please hurry and read Acts 20:7 and you will see Christians gathered for worship ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.
Look, if your Church is teaching false doctrine and traditions as truth, they DESERVE to be attacked. By TRUTH. If you choose to ignore it, that’s your choice.
It is interesting that wherever Paul went to preach the people who opposed him were mostly Sabbatharians who stirred up the people, and souvenir makers.
*****Look, if your Church is teaching false doctrine and traditions as truth, they DESERVE to be attacked. By TRUTH.***
You prefer your “truth” in the form of a so called prophetess’ dream about the throne of God and a glow around the sabbath commandment? That is what the entire SDA sham is based on, A DREAM.
She gave her followers a real nightmare “which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear.” Acts 15:10
WHAT are you TALKING about? I am not SDA. Where did you get that?
The fact that every single gospel says He resurrected on the Sabbath means nothing to you and your false Church because you folks have ignored what scripture teaches for over 1700 years now.
[Matthew 28:1]Οψε δε σαββατων , τη(ι) επιφωσκουση(ι) εις μιαν σαββατων , ηλθεν { Μαρια η ♦ Μαριαμ η } Μαγδαληνη , και η αλλη Μαρια , θεωρησαι τον ταφον .
Young's Literal Translation: 1 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
[Mark 16:2]Καὶ λίαν πρωῒ { τῆς μιᾶς ♦ τῇ μιᾷ τῶν } σαββάτων ἔρχονται ἐπὶ τὸ μνημεῖον, ἀνατείλαντος τοῦ ἡλίου.
Young's: 2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
[Luke 24:1]Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων, ὄρθρου { βαθέος, ἦλθον ἐπὶ τὸ μνῆμα ♦ βαθέως ἐπὶ τὸ μνῆμα ἦλθον }, φέρουσαι ἃ ἡτοίμασαν ἀρώματα, { καί τινες σὺν αὐταῖς ♦ - }.
Young's: 1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them,
[John 20:1]Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ ἔρχεται πρωΐ, σκοτίας ἔτι οὔσης, εἰς τὸ μνημεῖον, καὶ βλέπει τὸν λίθον ἠρμένον ἐκ τοῦ μνημείου.
Young's: 1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
Yup....there's just no getting around it. The Church has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for almost two millennia, fooling even Martin Luther and his merry band of anti Semeitc renegades. They convinced everyone that the resurrection occurred on a Sunday morning when every single Gospel account shows the women arriving on the First weekly Sabbath between Passover and Pentecost (Count of the Omer) to an empty tomb.
Even Sabbath keeping Churches have been taken in by this Vatican fraud. So....why have we been taught this heresy for so long?
Beginning in [Leviticus 23] we see the Hebrew term, Shabbaton (Strong's 7677) being used and it is translated into the Greek Septuagint as SABBATWN. It means....a set apart Sabbath...a moed...an observed day. We see it used to describe the Feast of Trumpets [23:24] the day of Atonement [23:32] and the first and last Sabbaths of Tabernacles [23:39].
The Hebrews used the word Shabbat (Strong's 7676) to describe the weekly Sabbath....so we can see that by using Shabbaton Moses was referring to a Special set apart Sabbath and not the weekly observance.
The Greek had no word for Sabbath and so both SABBATON (Shabbat) and SABBATWN (Shabbaton) were invented words for the Septuagint....and the New Testament and is defined as of Hebrew origin.
Each time the word SABBATWN is used in the New Testament it refers to a special, set apart Sabbath connected to the Feasts of Yahweh. In the Gospel accounts it refers to the First weekly Sabbath counted in the 50 day count from Pesach to Shavuot during the Feast of Weeks.
If you study the King James and other contemporary translations you will see the word "day" added to all the Gospel accounts in error. It's generally italicized for that reason. The translators, in an effort to make it appear that it was the first "day" of the week (instead of the first of the seven Sabbaths of the Omer) added that little word "day" to bring their translations more in line with established Catholic, fraudulent doctrine. It does not appear in any of the original manuscripts....and neither does the Greek word for "week", EBDOMA. It's all a fantasy, designed to make you believe that Yeshua resurrected on Sunday morning, thereby giving the great, false church of Rome some credibility in their efforts to make something special out of the "Venerable Day of The Sun".
I am not SDA.
Wouldn’t know it by the type of posts you’ve been making.
I figured you would be eating tofu tomorrow while I hog down some good Turkey and dressing.
lol! The day I eat Tofu Turkey is the day BLT sandwiches are sold in mosques of Iran!
why do you keep saying 1,700 years?
what happened 1,700 years ago that you feel started this sunday myth?
**is the day BLT sandwiches are sold in mosques of Iran!***
Oh I want that concession! ;-D
**The Greek had no word for Sabbath and so both SABBATON (Shabbat) and SABBATWN (Shabbaton) were invented words for the Septuagint....and the New Testament and is defined as of Hebrew origin.****
Jesus told of the Pharisee who went into the Temple to pray.
The Pharisee said..”I fast twice in the WEEK.”
The GREEK text says “I fast twice in the intervening Sabbath.” STRONG’s also says Sabbath.
Did he fast twice on the Sabbath day or not!
Otherwise the word has to mean the intervining days between two weekly Sabbaths.
Acts 13:42, which Sabbatharians hold to like glue, says “the next Sabbath”, but the Nestles GREEK says “the intervening Sabbath WEEK”.
This is also a margin note in the English bibles. It does not mean the Saturday Sabbath.
STRONG’s uses the same word (4521) for WEEK, and for the SABBATH, and for the intervening days of the week.
So, when it says “the first of the Sabbaths” it means exactly what the KJV translators and others have said.
THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. Or, SUNDAY.
>>>oh, please hurry and read Acts 20:7 and you will see Christians gathered for worship ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.>>>
I already schooled you on Acts 20:7. Go back through the posts and find it. You may think a meal changes the law of God but then again, you also think Paul did’t keep the Sabbath. LOL! (Acts 13, Romans 3, etc) By the way, Acts 2 says the “broke bread daily” ....see?....having a meal changes the law of God about as much as Rome does, or thinks she can.....NOT! LOL!
"On the Venerable Day of the Sun ["venerabili die Solis"--the sacred day of the Sun] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost--Given the 7th day of March, [A.D. 321]
Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time." The First Sunday Law of Constantine 1, in "Codex Justinianus," lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Phillip Schaff "History of the Christian Church," Vol. 3, p. 380.
Actually....that's only 1690 years ago but it was the precedent for what happened at Laodicea in 363 A.D. 42 years later.
"The Council of Laodicea ... forbids Christians from judaizing and resting on the Sabbath day, preferring the Lord's day, and so far as possible resting as Christians." Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1899 Edition, Vol. XXIII, page 654.
This..... being over 300 years after the resurrection, shows proof that the Sabbath was never changed to Sunday in scripture but instead.... by edicts of mankind with no scriptural authority to do so.
Technically....Laodicea was 1648 years ago.....so I exaggerated.
>>>Acts 13:42, which Sabbatharians hold to like glue, says “the next Sabbath”, but the Nestles GREEK says “the intervening Sabbath WEEK”.
This is also a margin note in the English bibles. It does not mean the Saturday Sabbath.>>>
And the Russian Bible calls the Lord’s day “Sunday” too. See? I can find a translation and or interpretation to say anything you need it to and spin it from here to eternity.
But guess what? The Sabbath day is still there, still in good shape, and it ain’g going anywhere. Virtually ever major translations and credible commentary refers to it as the Sabbath Day.
But I understand why Rome hates the Sabbath day. It rebukes her phoney authority. It is in her face. She and you can’t deal with it because as much as you try and spin it, as much as you try and twist it and turn it......The Sabbath is still standing and it’s in Rome’s face and will be until the end of time when Christ comes.
Sorry. You chose the wrong side. AS I said, put down the church tradtion and ego, and her deceit and pride and pick the Bible. The Bible wins, the counterfeit church will lose in the end and the Sabbath exposes her.
i’m not worried about you ability to subtract years, i am concerned about the ignorance of Church History.
Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord’s Day
But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations ( new advent website )
this is from “the Didache” written between 50-70ad, with many Apostles still alive.
Christians met on the Lord’s day ( Sunday ) and never kept the Jewish sabbath.
so 300 years before the Council of Laodicea, Christians were keeping the Lord’s Day.
Diego, if you live to be 300 years old, you will be trying to explain this to oLofob. You need to ask yourself: “Is it worth it...really...You may as well be spending your time teaching your turtle to tap-dance. Trust me, trying to explain the “one baptism” of this age of grace to oLofob, who actually has one baptism as part of his/her screen name (irony at its most humorous), taught me that there are some things in life that just are NOT worth it. It’s like a duck pecking at your ankles. Kick it to the curb and don’t look back...
***I already schooled you on Acts 20:7. Go back through the posts and find it****
NESTLES and ENGLISHMAN’S GREEK NTs render it FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (first of the sabbaths)
Find me a GREEK text that says different.
***and pick the Bible. The Bible wins,***
Of course it does!
Then how come you didn’t answer the questions I asked? Did the Pharisee fast TWICE on Saturday or not.
And WHY does STRONG’S use the VERY SAME WORD for WEEK (4521)and SABBATH (4521).And why do the GREEK TEXTS (Nestle NT) and (The Englishman’s Greek NT)have the word INTERVENING WEEK for Sabbath IN LUKE and ACTS..
Show me a GREEK TEXT without them!
Again, it means exactly what it says, THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.
Did he fast twice on the Sabbath day or not! Otherwise the word has to mean the intervining days between two weekly Sabbaths.
Allow me to show you how incorrect this interpretation......actually is.
The word in question is SABBATOU.....NOT SABBATWN. SABBATOU is the adjective for SABBATON (the weekly Sabbath). In other words....when you see this word you should think Sabbath "DAY"......not just Sabbath as the word SABBATON would imply.
Let me show you:
[Luke 18:12]Νηστεύω I-am-FAST-ing, δὶς twice τοῦ the σαββάτου sabbath, ἀποδεκατῶ I-am-TITHE-ing, πάντα all, ὅσα as much/many as κτῶμαι I-am-being-ACQUIRE-ed.
Now.....here are the other places in the New Testament that use that adjective, SABBATOU.
[Matthew 12:8] for the son of man is lord even of the sabbath.(SABBATOU)
[Mark 2:28] so that the son of man is lord also of the sabbath. (SABBATOU)
[Mark 6:2] and sabbath (SABBATOU) having come, he began in the synagogue to teach, and many hearing were astonished, saying, 'Whence hath this one these things? and what the wisdom that was given to him, that also such mighty works through his hands are done?
[Mark 16:1] And the sabbath (SABBATOU) having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
[Mark 16:9] And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths (SABBATOU), did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons;
[Luke 6:5] and he said to them, -- 'The Son of Man is lord also of the sabbath. (SABBATOU)
[Luke 13:14-16]14 And the chief of the synagogue answering -- much displeased that on the sabbath (SABBATOU) Jesus healed -- said to the multitude, 'Six days there are in which it behoveth us to be working; in these, then, coming, be healed, and not on the sabbath-day (SABBATW). 15 Then the Lord answered him and said, 'Hypocrite, doth not each of you on the sabbath (SABBATW) loose his ox or ass from the stall, and having led away, doth water it? 16 and this one, being a daughter of Abraham, whom the Adversary bound, lo, eighteen years, did it not behove to be loosed from this bond on the sabbath-day? (SABBATOU)
The two instances in the above passage where you seen the word SABBATW (Verses 14-15) is the singular for SABBATWN which means on those two occasions they were speaking of one of the Feast Days.....not the weekly Sabbath as is being referenced by the adjective SABBATOU in the other verses.
[Luke 14:5] 5 and answering them he said, 'Of which of you shall an ass or ox fall into a pit, and he will not immediately draw it up on the sabbath-day? (SABBATOU)
[John 19:31] The Jews, therefore, that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath (SABBATOU), since it was the preparation, (for that sabbath day was a great one,) asked of Pilate that their legs may be broken, and they taken away.
[Acts 1:2]Then did they return to Jerusalem from the mount that is called of Olives, that is near Jerusalem, a sabbath's (SABBATOU) journey;
As you can see.....all these passages speak of a Sabbath day.....not a week. You have got to unwrap your brain around this notion that Sabbath also mean week. It doesn't....anywhere! The Roman Catholic Church, although would like you to believe this poppycock....that it does!
There are only two passages in scripture that say week and they are [Genesis 29:27-28] fulfil the week of this one, and we give to thee also this one, for the service which thou dost serve with me yet seven other years.' 28 And Jacob doth so, and fulfilleth the week of this one, and he giveth to him Rachel his daughter, to him for a wife;
The Septuagint: συντέλεσον οὖν τὰ ἕβδομα ταύτης καὶ δώσω σοι καὶ ταύτην ἀντὶ τῆς ἐργασίας ἧς ἐργᾷ παρ’ ἐμοὶ ἔτι ἑπτὰ ἔτη ἕτερα
ἐποίησεν δὲ Ιακωβ οὕτως καὶ ἀνεπλήρωσεν τὰ ἕβδομα ταύτης καὶ ἔδωκεν αὐτῷ Λαβαν Ραχηλ τὴν θυγατέρα αὐτοῦ αὐτῷ γυναῖκα
And......[Daniel 9:27] 27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and in the midst of the ,week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'
Here is the Greek Septuagint: καὶ δυναμώσει διαθήκην πολλοῖς ἑβδομὰς μία καὶ ἐν τῷ ἡμίσει τῆς ἑβδομάδος ἀρθήσεταί μου θυσία καὶ σπονδή καὶ ἐπὶ τὸ ἱερὸν βδέλυγμα τῶν ἐρημώσεων καὶ ἕως συντελείας καιροῦ συντέλεια δοθήσεται ἐπὶ τὴν ἐρήμωσιν
The word is EBDOMA and it appears no where in the New Testament.
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