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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Did the Romans confirm a seven-year peace contract between Israel and the nations?”

I presume you that are speaking about the Covenant in Daniel’s 70th Week, 9:27a:

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ...”

Notice that it says NOTHING about a ‘seven year peace deal’, as you so declare. Aboslutely zero. So, again, this is merely another figment of your imagination.

What Covenant is Daniel talking about in verse 27?

... a promised one from the Old Testament?

... or, one that was never promised - but is supposedly future (to us)?

a) Before Daniel’s prophecy, God promises a Covenant with Judah and Israel, ... Jeremiah 31: 31:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

b) During the 70th Week, in the very midst of the week, Jesus Himself confirms that same Covenant, ... Matthew 26: 28:

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

c) After its fulfillment, the epistle writer reiterates the confirmation of this Covenant, … Hebrews 9: 15:

“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”

So, clearly there was a Covenant already promised to Israel and Judah in-place by God, and fulfilled in Jesus Christ during the 70th Week!

Therefore, since the Covenant of Daniel’s 70th Week was at the Cross of Christ, there can be no ‘future-to-us’ 70th Week, nor a ‘future Rapture’ for that matter either.

However, note that the dispensationalists must totally fabricate their ‘future covenant with Antichrist’ completely OUTSIDE of Holy Writ.

Another additional significant point here. God makes a Covenant with man hundreds of times in the Bible. NEVER does Satan make a covenant with man.

Therefore, those who force a ‘seven year peace deal by the antichrist’ into Daniel’s 70th Week impute a horribly aberrent and sloppy reading of God’s Word.

Again, the important question:

Is this fake ‘seven year peace deal’ really worth REVERSING Jesus for the Devil, just to preserve your ego here?

I pray that you will repent for your Disppensational sin.

In Christ Jesus, Amen.


94 posted on 11/26/2011 8:16:08 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Iggles Phan

You sound like a broken record. No one is REVERSING JESUS FOR THE DEVIL here. It is well understood that the AntiChrist will be deceiving many, including the Jews, BY APPEARING TO BE, SAY and DO what the ‘Messiah’ was perceived to do, when he would come. You ask ‘Since when has Satan made a covenant with Man?’ - THAT’S THE POINT OF THE ANTICHRIST - do appear as God-like. Why do you think God is going to allow him to perform actual miracles? To deceive those who will be deceived.

One other point I see a few spout here, including you, is that this is just something that has come about in the past 160 or so years so it MUST BE EVIL. Um, No. Why do you think, in Daniel 12, that Daniel is told to seal up the scrolls, until the end, when those for whom it is intended will be given understanding. God has specifically and Biblically stated that there are things reserved only for us in the end of days to know and understand.


95 posted on 11/26/2011 8:29:17 PM PST by time4good
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To: Iggles Phan
Notice that it says NOTHING about a ‘seven year peace deal’, as you so declare. Aboslutely zero. So, again, this is merely another figment of your imagination.

You could not be more wrong.

From The Seventy Weeks of Daniel

THE MAKING OF A COVENANT

"What is it that “he” will do? The antichrist will “make a firm covenant with the many for one week,” that is seven years. Non-literal interpreters of Daniel’s seventy-week prophecy usually attempt to make this covenant a reference to Christ’s covenant to save His people, usually known as the covenant of grace. “This, then, is a confirming of a covenant already extant, i.e., the covenant of God’s redemptive grace that Christ confirms (Rom. 15:8),”125 claims Dr. Gentry. Dr. Gentry and those advocating a similar view, must resort to a non-textual, theological interpretation at this point since there was no seven-year covenant made by Christ with the Jewish people at the time of His first coming. They must back off from the specifics of the text in verse 27 and import in a theological interpretation, thus providing us with a classic example of spiritualization or allegorical interpretation. If this is supposed to be a reference to the covenant of grace, then “it may be observed first that this would be a strange way to express such a thought,”126 notes Dr. Wood. Christ’s salvation covenant is not limited to seven years rather it is an eternal covenant. Daniel 9:27 says the covenant is to be made with “the many.” This term always refers in some way to Israel throughout the book of Daniel (Daniel 11:33, 39; 12:3). Thus it is a narrow term, used in a specific context. It is not a broad term, synonymous with the language of global salvation."

"Further, “it is evident that the covenant is subsequent to the cutting off of Messiah and the destruction of the City and the Sanctuary, in the twenty-sixth verse; therefore, it could not have been confirmed at the First Advent,”127 says G. H. Pember. Such an interpretation does not fit this text and it does not account for the seven years that Gabriel says this covenant will be in place. Dr. Wood further explains:

"Since the word for “covenant” . . . does not carry the article (contrary to the KJV translation), this covenant likely is made at this time for the first time (not a reaffirmation of an old one, then) and probably will concern some type of nonaggression treaty, recognizing mutual rights. Israel’s interest in such a treaty is easy to understand in the light of her desire today for allies to help withstand foes such as Russia and the Arab bloc of nations".128

"Since a covenant as described in verse 27 has not yet taken place in reference to the nation of Israel, it must therefore follow that this will be a yet to occur future event. This then, demands a postponement of the seventieth week with a gap of time between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks of years".

The reason we know that the 70th "week" lasts 7 years is that the 7 "weeks" and 62 "weeks" (a total of 69 "weeks"), which have already happened, lasted exactly 483 years = 69 weeks X 7 years/week. Messiah was "cutoff", crucified, exactly 483 years after the commandment of Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple, March 14, 445 B.C.

This whole prophecy (of Daniel) was made in 538 B.C. while the Jews were in Babylon at the end of their 70 year captivity. The 1st 69 "weeks" were fulfilled exactly as predicted and the 70th "week" will also.

Since God said he would deal with the Jews as a nation for seventy "weeks", and He promised to regather them nationally in the future in preparation for His Coming, then, God plans to deal with the NATION Israel in the future for one "week" before He returns. To say that one week of Daniel 9:27 has already happened (since God says He will regather Israel as a NATION) is to say there will be 71 weeks. Therefore, the 70th week of Daniel can not have happened in the past and is yet future.

Since we already know (from the 69 weeks that HAVE happened) that a "WEEK" is SEVEN YEARS, then, God will have a future dealing with the NATION Israel for SEVEN years.

And finally, Scripture proves that the "peace" covenant the Antichrist makes with Israel lasts for seven years.

And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate. (Daniel 9:27)

The week is a week of years. At the beginning, one person brokers a peace treaty, and that person later stops the sacrifices and grain offerings. Then comes another person who makes an abomination of desolation at the Temple. Finally, a complete destruction is decreed to be poured out on the second person who performed the abomination of desolation.

In Daniel 12:11, it states specifically that from the abomination of desolation, there will be 1290 days. The 1290 days is when Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah will come to reign on the earth.

And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end-time. Many will be purged, purified and refined; but the wicked will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1290 days. (Daniel 12:9-12)

The above verse corroborates a piece of the outline from Daniel 9:27. We are told that the sacrifices will be stopped and that an abomination of desolation will be performed. However, we are also told an important new piece of information, namely, that there would be 1290 days from the abomination of desolation until a certain event. In the context of the chapter, Daniel 12, the 1290 days is the arrival of the Messiah to rescue Israel. The 1290 days from the abomination of desolation is what Christians call the Second Coming, and the Jewish people call it the First Coming.

1290 days is one half of seven years. The Scripture, as always, is correct and inerrant and absolutely true: a seven-year covenant will be brokered by the Antichrist with Israel. Again, God is proven to be right and those who deny His word proven to be fools.

114 posted on 11/27/2011 4:20:35 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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