Skip to comments.Pope to theologians: focus on the Trinity
Posted on 12/02/2011 12:29:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy
Christian theologians should help the world to understand the Trinitarian monotheism shows the true face of God, Pope Benedict XVI said in a December 2 address to the International Theological Commission.
The Pope acknowledged that Christian monotheism builds on the faith of Judaism. But with the incarnation of Jesus, this faith came to be illuminated with a completely new light: the light of the Trinity, a mystery which also illuminates brotherhood among men.
Pope Benedict next addressed the question of how scholars can identify authentically Catholic thought. He observed that many Christians take the Bible as the ultimate source of authority, but said that reliance on Scripture, while necessary, is not sufficient. The Bible is always necessarily read in a certain context, the Pope said, and the only context in which the believer can be in full communion with Christ is the Church and her living Tradition.
Finally, speaking on Catholic social thought, the Holy Father said that Church teaching in that real should be recognized not merely as another social theory, but as an outgrowth of the faith. When Catholics join with others to promote social causes, he said, we must make present the true and profound religious motivations of our social commitment, just as we expect of others that they manifest their own motivations, so that our work together can be carried out in clarity.
....Pope Benedict next addressed the question of how scholars can identify authentically Catholic thought. He observed that many Christians take the Bible as the ultimate source of authority, but said that reliance on Scripture, while necessary, is not sufficient. The Bible is always necessarily read in a certain context, the Pope said, and the only context in which the believer can be in full communion with Christ is the Church and her living Tradition.
There. Fixed it. The Pope needs to be more accurate.
The Pope’s message is sad. The Trinity is a core belief that all Christians share and agree on. So it should be something that brings together. The Pope divides us.
So 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 doesn’t really hold any weight in your view?
I’m not Catholic, by the way, but if the whole Bible is the inspired, revealed word of God, then shouldn’t the WHOLE Bible be believed?
Not the same “tradition” as peddled by the Roman Catholic Church. Paul passed on by word and letter inspired info... not man-made tradition.
So all the traditions that Paul taught were recorded in the Scriptures?
I guess it would be folly to point out that anti Trinitarian heretics rely on Scripture to prove their beliefs?
"I don't give 'em hell, I just tell 'em the truth and they think it's hell." -- Harry Truman
Please hold while I go to the market to buy popcorn.
Jesus said to them again, Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
The orthodox Catholic notion of communicatio idiomatum holds that:
The human and the divine activities predicated of Christ in Holy Writ and in the Fathers may not be divided between persons or hypostases, the Man-Christ and the God-Logos, but must be attributed to the one Christ, the Logos become Flesh . . . It is the Divine Logos, who suffered in the flesh, was crucified, and rose again . . .
(Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p. 144)
Christ’s Divine and Human characteristics and activities are to be predicated of the one Word Incarnate. (De fide.)
As Christ’s Divine Person subsists in two natures, and may be referred to either of those two natures, so human things can be asserted of the son of God and Divine things of the Son of Man.
The old Lutheran Doctrinal Theology theology inclines to the monophysitic error which posits a real transference of Divine attributes such as omniscience, omnipotence, ubiquity, by reason of the Hypostatic Union, to the human nature of Christ, and teaches that “Christ, not only as God, but also as man knows all, can do all, and is present to all created things” (formula concordiae I 8, 11).
(Ott, p. 160)
The nature of the Hypostatic Union is such that while on the one hand things pertaining to both the Divine and Human nature can be attributed to the person of Christ, on the other hand things specifically belonging to one nature cannot be predicated of the other nature. Since concrete terms (God, Son of God, Son of Man, Christ the Almighty) designate the Hypostasis and abstract terms (Godhead, humanity, omnipotence) the nature, the following rule may be laid down: communicatio idioamatum fit in concreto, non in abstracto. The communication of idioms is valid for concrete terms not for abstract ones. So, for example: The Son of Man died on the Cross; Jesus created the world. The rule is not valid if . . . the concrete term is limited to one nature. Thus it is false to say “Christ has suffered as God.” “Christ created the world as a human being.” It must also be observed that the essential parts of the human nature, body and soul are referred to the nature, whose parts they are. Thus it is false to say: “Christ’s soul is omniscient,” “Christ’s body is ubiquitous.”
Further, predication of idioms is valid in positive statements not in negative ones, as nothing may be denied to Christ which belongs to Him according to either nature. One, therefore, may not say: “The Son of God has not suffered,” “Jesus is not almighty.”
(Ott, p. 161; italics added)
Nip it in the bud!
According to whom? Your YOPIOS?