Posted on 12/06/2011 6:06:40 AM PST by Colofornian
I don’t care if Mormons deify a dead rabbi from a couple thousand years ago and try to follow his example the best they know how. That part is great, but the mainstream Mormon beliefs that come out of the Book of Mormon and the DnC and other writings, such as becoming a god of your own planet, just strike me as odd.
We celebrate the birth of our Savior and love and joy of the Season.
I feel sorry for the anti Mormons; they are missing out on all the Goodness.
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Sandy, Im not missing anything by not worshipping your false prophet the criminal and child rapist Joey Smith ..
But you as an anti-Christian are missing eternity with God by not worshipping the LORD Jesus Christ and Him only...
It looks like you are saying that we believe that Christ was a polygamist.
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Of course...
Because thats what mormons believe...
Oh, for .... sake. (The Name dedacted)
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Sandy no Christian...no believer in the God of the Christian Bible would ever take His Name in vain...
We know however that you are not a believer and therefore do not care what you say about him...
Please be more careful when speaking of our Savior, Redeemer, and Soon Coming King, Jesus Christ of Nazareth - the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and Savior in the New Testament.
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Maybe you just cut and pasted this from your Mormon website for FARMS/FAIR/LDSInc withoput reading the words...
You might want to see my last post
HYPOCRITE !!!!
Meanwhile you pitiful mormons are adding more and more words from that Christian Bible you dont believe...
and Sandy unless you say that God is Triune and that the Trinity is Truth...
and that the LORD Jesus Christ is God and always has been God...
you are just giving lip service (keyboard service ???) to these words and terms...
They mean nothing to you...
I could say and write allahu akbar all day long and it would mean nothing...
I do not appreciate your comments about my Church and my Faith,
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I couldnt care less about your dumb pagan religion or what you have faith in..
If you dont like the written truth about your chosen religion
then get out...
Whited sepulchres. MormonISM requires of them that they earn Salvation, so they learn from childhood to behave as best they can ... until, like Milt Rominy or Harry Reid they see an opportunity to use their outward good behavior as a foil to obtain from their fellow creatures. The secret pride they carry about puts them at emtity with God, but they don’t really believe that so they continue in the lie, with pride corroding their souls the more. They are not forgiven, just goody two shoes outwardly. You see, they are taught that they ‘can’ obtain salvation necause of the Mormon jesus, after all that they can do to earn it. Devilish trap that
I hadn't thought of that before.
Interesting spiritual psycho-analysis. And probably spot on; I just can't say for certain 'cause I don't know individual Mormons' motives for Smith veneration.
Certainly, for those who believe what other Lds leaders have taught -- that they need Smith's consent to enter (celestial) heaven -- I'd say that would be a "butter up" motivator if there e'er was one.
Interesting how Mormons replace the Subject of John 14:6 (Jesus) with both "Consenter" Smith and the Mormon church (Lds first President Marion Romney called the Mormon church "the way, the truth, and the life").
Your bitterness is oozing out, Sandy. Have a cookie and a cup of tea.
Another round of Praise to the Man shall we.
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Of course...Because thats what mormons believe... [Tennessee Nana]
TN, I try at times (not always successful) to refrain from superimposing all past Mormon teachings on current Mormon adherents. Thousands and thousands of individual Mormons have jettisoned all kinds of beliefs -- even currently held tenets of the Mormon faith!
So even when past Lds "apostles" like the Orson trio (Orson Hyde, Orson Pratt, and Orson Whitney) taught that Jesus was a polygamist, I don't assume that's been embraced by 21st century Mormons.
What I think we can say is that I haven't seen current Mormons and current Mormon leaders directly critique those 19th century Lds "apostles" for teaching that Jesus was a polygamist.
Therefore, what Saundra and other Mormons are "guilty" of here is...
...(1) harboring false teachers -- which is failure to expose these false teachers to the light of Scripture...calling them on the carpet, so to speak...therefore sanctioning false teachings by their silence to specifically address past blasphemous Mormon teachings;
...(2a) failure to call their general authorities accountable for exercising bad cases of eisegesis (reading content into Biblical material that's just not there);
...(2b) "sustaining" current Mormon general authorities who indirectly sanction past false teachings by not correcting -- and, even worse, covering up -- those false teachings.
The bottom line here is that the financial supporters of Lds, Inc. are MOST guilty of operating as enabler-sustainers of false teachings. It's at Lds General Conferences where they verbally (and unanimously) "sustain" their leaders. Therefore, grassroots Mormons have failed miserably in holding their leaders accountable.
These things can be just as "bad" in our Lord's eyes as believing Jesus to be a polygamist!
For starters SD - cite for me an official position from your lds church regarding pro or con. Jedediah M. Grant, Orson Hyde and Orson Pratt are all documented as teaching that Jesus was polygamous. Church President Joseph F. Smith taught that at the marriage in Cana at Galilee, Jesus was the Bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, July 22, 1883). The Prophet Brigham Young taught "The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children." - The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, p.309
Now SD, lets see if you have the moxie enough to denounce these prophets and apostle with the same bile as you accused "anti's" of. Oh btw, there is no 'official' church position on Jesus' polygamy SD, I've already looked, so in the absence of doctrine are you qualified to say they were teaching false doctrines? What qualifies you as an lds woman to make that proclaimation absent mormon doctrines. The assembled multitude await your answer.
ALL:
1st Question here, in light of Saundra's comments, is: Do Mormons believe that the counterfeit elohim (name for the Mormon god) was once a man? Yes or no?
Answer? Yes
2nd Question here: Do Mormons worship that ex-man?
Answer? Yes
3rd Question here: So does being a man-become-god stop Mormons from worshiping such an entity?
Answer? No
4th Question here: Do Mormons believe Joseph Smith could become a god?
Answer? Yes
So...when Saundra says that Joseph Smith "was just a man"...what's that supposed to mean?
The counterfeit elohim was/is a man, too!
As I indicated with a series of questions in my last post, don't let the "he was just a man" Mormon comment fool you.
You see, Mormon so-called "theology" is in actuality "anthropology"!
If you don't think so, consider what three Lds "apostles" had to say...I'll cite one here and another in the next post:
Who is the Mormon main god (to them)?
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie:
"According to [Mormon] revelation...
...he is a...
personal Being
a holy and exalted Man
a glorified, resurrected Personage [news flash: The Mormon god they pray "Our Father" to died at some point before the Mormon Jesus became his son]
having a tangible body of flesh and bones [I guess the apostle John was wrong, eh, about God being Spirit -- see John 4:23-24]
an ANTHROPOMORPHIC ENTITY,
the personal Father of the spirits of all men [this last means there's a mom-god @ Kolob w/whom this God had sex with to yield your spirit before you came to earth]
Source: Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 250
I mean, come now: Who wants an anthropomorphic entity --a man-made religion about a man who made his godhood level by landing the "god job" -- whose divinity didn't precede His anthro aspects?
McConkie wasn't alone in the Mormon teaching that anthropology = theology.
Mitt Romney is a direct descendent of Parley P. Pratt, a Mormon "apostle." Mitt Romney's ancestor taught:
"Gods, angels, and men are all of
one species,
one race,
one great family,
widely diffused among the planetary systems as colonies, kingdoms, nations, etc.
Source: The Key to the Science of Theology, 1978, p. 21
So what? Why should Romney be linked to what his ancestors taught? Well, because Romney himself provided such a linkage!
Mitt Romney, Dec, 2007, speaking @ the George Bush Presidential Library: "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs.
Mitt "confesses" and "professes" this as the "faith...of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs."
And what are some of these beliefs?
One is that Mormon "theology" essentially says the Mormon man-gods & man-angels bounce around the universe and thereby arrive on planet earth as essentially aliens.
Let's look at yet a third Lds "apostle" who taught this: John Widtsoe originally published in 1915 called Rational Theology. Widtsoe in that book slandered God, reducing him to be of slime and then mortal origins:
"God and man are of the same race..." (Widtsoe, p. 61)
So, when Mormons say the counterfeit elohim was once a man; and that Joseph Smith can become a god...they have just bridged the worship barrier, have they not?
Explain more about this “counterfeit elohim” you mentioned. I don’t know that much about Mormonism but the more you say the more ludicrous it sounds. Do Mormons really, really believe this stuff?
How many are like Saundra that seem either ignorant of the standard teachings within Mormonism or are being deceptively ignorant about the various aspects you mention?
How many of them know the origins of the Book of Mormon or that Mr. Smith was a con-man and a Freemason and stole quite a bit of material from them for what would become Mormonism?
Explain more about this “counterfeit elohim” you mentioned. I don’t know that much about Mormonism but the more you say the more ludicrous it sounds. Do Mormons really, really believe this stuff?
How many are like Saundra that seem either ignorant of the standard teachings within Mormonism or are being deceptively ignorant about the various aspects you mention?
How many of them know the origins of the Book of Mormon or that Mr. Smith was a con-man and a Freemason and stole quite a bit of material from them for what would become Mormonism?
Did you say “Gods” or “God”, angels, and men are all of one species, one race, one family...?
First off there is only one God and can be no others. According to Jews since the time of Moses God has always been defined as spirit and non-corporeal.
That's what the Mormon "apostles" have taught in the 19th and (late in the) 20th centuries...and no CURRENT Lds general authorities have ever stepped forward to directly counter that teaching!
First off there is only one God and can be no others.
Amen!
Only in Mormonism is the pride of wanting to become a fellow "god" of THE God a "good thing..." Last time I checked the Bible, the prophet Isaiah didn't exactly promote that idea (Is. 14:14-16; chapter 43; chapter 44; chapter 45).
According to Jews since the time of Moses God has always been defined as spirit and non-corporeal.
Yes. And Jesus placed this idea as front and center to our worship life...which is the focus of this thread:
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers MUST worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:23-24)
I hate to ask but are you high?
Lots of things about the LDS church sting the ears of Christians. I am glad that one of the teachings of the LDS church finally stings your ears.
Actually I don’t believe your feigning revolt and disgust. Your act was too rushed and forced.
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