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To: Belteshazzar
So post your biblical reasons and we'll discuss them. If you wish to have a more indepth explanation of my reasons, ask. I'm not a shrinking violet, and I've spent decades contemplating these issues, without shaking my faith in the slightest. In fact, the more I learn of the way God made this Universe and how it operates, the more my faith is strengthened.

I'll give something to start the discussion:

God conceived Adam with, as far as Biblical inforamtion we have, with no mother so no womb to gestate Adam, biologically speaking. Does this mean that God created Adam fully already a young man, or does it mean that the particulars of Adam's biology are not the significant part of the data God wants us to focus upon? We do not know based upon Biblical 'proofs', so some speculate that 'formed Adam from the dust of the ground' means soemthing other than over eons of evolutionary processes.

Is it possible that God selected Adam from the race of humankind and Adam had no spirit component but was biologically gestated and born in the biological sense and at some time later God breathed a spirit into Adam and he became a living soul (a soul with a spirit and thus spiritual life)? Jesus gave us clues regarding this distinction of alive and spiritually dead. Ought we apply these lessons to the scene offered in Genesis?


85 posted on 12/08/2011 11:51:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

MHGinTN wrote:
“So post your biblical reasons and we’ll discuss them.”

Let me preface this discussion with your original statement, which I quoted (and to which I now append three more of your words): “Jesus was not genetically a child of Mary or of Joseph.” Jesus is clearly not the son of Joseph in any biological sense. That is the clear testimony of Scripture. To be sure, He is Jesus’ father in the sense that any adoptive or step-father is, but is not the biological father. However, in the case of Mary it is far different. She gives birth to Jesus, as is clearly taught in the Scriptures. Her giving birth is in fulfillment of the promise made to all mankind and witnessed by Adam and Eve, that is, that the Seed of the woman would crush the serpent’s (Satan’s) head, Genesis 3:15). You seem to be saying that Jesus was not the “Seed of the woman,” but rather a human ovum, genetically unconnected to any other human person, divinely implanted in the womb of this woman named Mary. She then served as a surrogate mother to this divinely implanted ovum as it gestated to birth maturity, and then proceeded to eject the now matured ovum. Now, please understand I am not saying at any point that that within her womb is not a child, as if I were somehow intellectually inclined to a pro-abortion viewpoint - I AM NOT! However, if this is what you are saying, then in what sense is Mary called Jesus’ mother in the Holy Scriptures?


99 posted on 12/08/2011 12:53:28 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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