Amen! Sister!
Posted on 12/11/2011 5:59:43 PM PST by rzman21
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 15:6
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
>>You don’t seem to know what the term “Works of the Law” means.
When you learn that we can talk. Otherwise I have more important things to attend to than your polemics.
Ignorance of Judaism is ignorance of St. Paul.
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.
Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.
In English:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen
If you want to live under grace, you have already been judged and found to be just, if you are in Jesus Christ and he in you..
>>One man’s opinion.
Faith and reason are both from God.
I know a man I worked with was going with someone else's wife and was a player to women in Christian coffee house events. He would quote scripture about how he was already forgiven while openly admitting this all because of how screwy this view can go. He knew scripture too.
Of Course not all believe this but when you emphasize you are already forgiven for life and tell people you can read it for yourself. You will have these types. Notice if they tell you where they worship? There is a form of this by a rare few here. To think you have to be ashamed on where you go to church. They willingly mock a church but never will tell you where they go. Something is very wrong.
P.S. Not to be unfair. I do know people who believe once saved always saved who really live the life. They are very beautiful Christians. But they truly live the life. Very giving for the others in the name of the Lord. Also not into judging others while talking theology.
According to scripture everything that proceeds from your heart is evil and defiles you:
Our works stem not from ourselves but from the Holy Spirit. I suspect that the things we happen to think are really nice things to do aren't works of God at all; while those things we do without even consciously thinking about it are.
Jesus is the vine and we are His branches. He promises us our fruit so why should we worry about what is fruit and what isn't? We should just sit and rest in Him knowing that He will produce in us the things that He wants. And yes, we want to be obedient to His commandments as we grow near to Him.
Amen! Sister!
If you do it because you think it adds to your salvation or helps keep your salvation then your good work is for YOU and is sin
And besides Protestants always ignore the Jewish law when they talk about works, which is why I posted a listing of all the works of the law that St. Paul said that the Gentiles didn’t need to do to be saved.
Yea we live in the New Covenant not the old one..
If a man is saved He will NEVER WILL to leave Christ
He is the author and the finisher of my faith
Phl 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:
Amen
Yea we live in the New Covenant not the old one..
>>My point exactly.
Hbr 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
No doubt we will have the insane posse breathlessly inform us that the Judgement does not apply to them. The Judgement apparently does not apply to those who self declare their own salvation. Jesus is now legally held to their self declaration, according to them.
“I know a man I worked with was going with someone else’s wife and was a player to women in Christian coffee house events. He would quote scripture about how he was already forgiven while openly admitting this all because of how screwy this view can go. He knew scripture too.”
For saved believers, the issue of continuing to sin and it’s consequences is discussed here in Romans:
Romans 6: 1-23
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rnmom has repeatedly demonstrated that as a former Catholic, she has no clue about Catholicism. Eastern Orthodoxy is totally beyond their ken.
Not so fast. We Gentiles were grafted in - in this case adoptive Father. Wrong interpretation.
Notice.. the word brethren is not there.. because they were never the brethren of God or the sheep, they did not have a freely given love gift from God, because they were not His children. They were not the brethren of Christ or the children of God.. The unsaved can never do a "good work" in the eyes of God (heb 11:16) ... notice they are dismissed with a curse.. no reward due them for any kindness they may have done in this life..
1 Timothy 2:3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance
Preach the gospel of exclusivity to those who will listen.
But the words of men are. You present a strong case.
The clear readings you present are rather muddy upon closer examination. They appear to be similar to English translated to Chinese translated to Hindi translated back to English.
The Greek lexicon is of use in putting Protestant protestations into proper view.
I'm sure that the Good Lord cowers in fear at your approach.
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