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To: montag813

“What kind of Catholic is Newt Gingrich?
A rather convenient one.”

I kind of agree with you. I would, however, like to know if Newt is allowed to receive Communion. He became a Catholic after his divorces. Do they not count now? I know too many Catholics who are divorced and cannot receive. Just curious about the before and after Catholic.


34 posted on 12/14/2011 11:51:39 AM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: FryingPan101
I kind of agree with you. I would, however, like to know if Newt is allowed to receive Communion. He became a Catholic after his divorces. Do they not count now? I know too many Catholics who are divorced and cannot receive. Just curious about the before and after Catholic.

When the Church starts getting serious about denying communion to high ranking, liberal, pro-abort politicians, let me know. Until then what they do with the common man is meaningless.

53 posted on 12/14/2011 12:16:57 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: FryingPan101
well, technically according to the Church Newts previous marriages were not Sacraments (i.e. he was not sacramentally married in a Catholic/Orthodox sacrament of marriage -- I'm not sure about Lutherans etc)

As per orthodoxy, there are two kinds of marriage: natural marriage and sacramental marriage. Sacramental marriages exist only between baptized people, so marriages between two non-Catholics/Orthodox is not a sacramental marriage (I'm not sure if you believe in Sacraments or not, but to us a marriage is a sacrament, a divine union between GOD, woman and man -- God is in this, hence we do not believe in divorce.

now, if two non-Catholics get married as per their own or the country's laws, they are natural marriages

Now in the case of Newt's earlier marriages I understand that these were annulled after he petitioned that the prior marriages were not sacraments in the couple's eyes. Without this, he would be considered divorced and hence ineligible for a Church wedding (he could have gotten a civil marriage) -- as I understand the annulment was based on the fact that Marianne was reportedly previously married.

To sum up -- since they were judged annulled, the prior marriages do not count, but the children still "do" in the eyes of the Church.

If a Catholic gets a divorce but no annulment it is a civil ceremony (divorce is civl, annulment is religious), they cannot get married in Church -- can they receive communion? If they have not remarried of course they can receive communion as they would not be in a state of mortal sin (note that all are ABLE to receive communion -- but we believe that if one receives communion when in a state of mortal sin, it is a grave sin against God.) -- the "divorce" does not put one into mortal sin per se. Remarriage after divorce does.

so, if divorced and living celibately, then he may recieve. If he wants to marry again, then an annulment is necessary.

103 posted on 12/15/2011 4:54:26 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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