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To: PetroniusMaximus

To a preterist ... EVERYTHING happened in 70 AD.


4 posted on 12/22/2011 1:13:45 PM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: dartuser; PetroniusMaximus
Augustine wrote of this in City of God
The evangelist John has spoken of these two resurrections in the book which is called the Apocalypse, but in such a way that some Christians do not understand the first of the two, and so construe the passage into ridiculous fancies. For the Apostle John says in the foresaid book, And I saw an angel come down from heaven. . . . Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Those who, on the strength of this passage, have suspected that the first resurrection is future and bodily, have been moved, among other things, specially by the number of a thousand years, as if it were a fit thing that the saints should thus enjoy a kind of Sabbath-rest during that period, a holy leisure after the labors of the six thousand years since man was created, and was on account of his great sin dismissed from the blessedness of paradise into the woes of this mortal life, so that thus, as it is written, One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day, 2 Peter 3:8 there should follow on the completion of six thousand years, as of six days, a kind of seventh-day Sabbath in the succeeding thousand years; and that it is for this purpose the saints rise, viz., to celebrate this Sabbath. And this opinion would not be objectionable, if it were believed that the joys of the saints in that Sabbath shall be spiritual, and consequent on the presence of God; for I myself, too, once held this opinion.

But, as they assert that those who then rise again shall enjoy the leisure of immoderate carnal banquets, furnished with an amount of meat and drink such as not only to shock the feeling of the temperate, but even to surpass the measure of credulity itself, such assertions can be believed only by the carnal. They who do believe them are called by the spiritual Chiliasts, which we may literally reproduce by the name Millenarians. It were a tedious process to refute these opinions point by point: we prefer proceeding to show how that passage of Scripture should be understood.


7 posted on 12/22/2011 1:31:30 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: dartuser; PetroniusMaximus
And Acts 10: 42 says
to be judge of the living and of the dead.
and 2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom:

Jesus Christ's second coming is to judge the living and the dead, not to have an eartly kingdom -- in fact, Christ is reigning now in heaven -- reference Matt 28:18 "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" , as Paul said in 1 cor 15:25-26 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. -- He reigns now

Read 1 Thess 4:16-17

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.
This occurs AT the time of Christ's Second coming, not before -- there is no "Third coming"
10 posted on 12/22/2011 1:39:11 PM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: dartuser
To a Pederast...EVERYTHING happens to 9 year old boys.

Just ask the Jerkoff Jerry Sandusky Family, or Joe 'I'll Play Like Daddy' Paterno his Cult and Family, which are up to their eyeballs in a Pedophilia Ring supported by the Penn State U Administration from the very top down.

22 posted on 12/22/2011 2:39:51 PM PST by STD (Cut Taxes, Cut Spending Stupid!)
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