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1 posted on 12/28/2011 2:05:27 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/28/2011 2:06:43 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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3 posted on 12/28/2011 2:14:19 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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Why Christianity is Losing America

Hmmmm, Freemasons?

4 posted on 12/28/2011 2:16:12 PM PST by OldCorps
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“The university exists because the Church was committed to knowing and believing truth.”

BIG Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Unfortunately, those who are taught today’s revised history have NO knowledge of this.)


5 posted on 12/28/2011 2:16:17 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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I love the way C. S. Lewis combines faith, logic, and truth:

“When I accept Theology I may find difficulties, at this point or that, in harmonising it with some particular truths which are imbedded in the mythical cosmology derived from science. But I can get in, or allow for, science as a whole… If, on the other hand, I swallow the scientific cosmology as a whole, then not only can I not fit in Christianity, but I cannot even fit in science. …And this is to me the final test. This is how I distinguish dreaming and waking. When I am awake I can, in some degree, account for and study my dream. . . But while in the nightmare I could not have fitted in my waking experience. The waking world is judged more real because it can thus contain the dreaming world: the dreaming world is judged less real because it cannot contain the waking one. For the same reason I am certain that in passing from the scientific point of view to the theological, I have passed from dream to waking. Christian theology can fit in science, art, morality, and the sub-Christian religions. The scientific point of view cannot fit in any of these things, not even science itself. I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else.”

6 posted on 12/28/2011 2:17:47 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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Also self-sufficiency is at the root of unbelief.

If you’re self-sufficient, you don’t need God.


8 posted on 12/28/2011 2:38:33 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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30,000+ different protestant denominations, Two, three, five or Seven Sacraments, take your pick. Ordination of women (even by the Baptists for crying out loud). Homosexual marriages (again even the Baptists.) Openly Gay clergy in "committed" relationships. And Poor (read nonexistent in some cases) cathecesis even in the Catholic Church.

What else was anyone expecting when we kicked God out of the schools and put everything else ahead of Him in our list of personal priorities?

10 posted on 12/28/2011 2:42:40 PM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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It's an interesting article. I found it strange, though, that he started out with such an idiotic question as,

“How many of you would still believe Christianity if you found out tomorrow that Christianity was not true. That is: God never became a man; Jesus did not die for our sin; or, that he did not rise from the dead?”

I assume that by "if you found out ..." means "if it were proved beyond reasonable doubt ...". However, anyone with the slightest knowledge of history, or even a bit of common sense, would realize that's not possible, and therefore would put the questioner to the test, rather than dignifying the absurd premise.

Try to prove that "God never became a man" in any scientific or legal sense of proof. Fail. Historical evidence is pretty strong that the man Christianity identifies as Jesus lived and died, but try to "prove" that He either died for our sins, or did not. Epic fail.

The article makes some good points, but he might have mentioned that one of the problems of American Christianity and of American Christians is their propensity to be polite and tolerant toward those perpetrating blithering nonsense. If only Anoreth or Tom had been in one of the classes the author addressed ...

11 posted on 12/28/2011 2:45:26 PM PST by Tax-chick (Two women in one house ... and one of 'em a redhead!)
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There are many liberals who would have you believe that Christianity prevents them from being happy on their sin.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 3:20:21 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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Christianity is losing not just America, but the entire West. The most immediate cause is successful subversion by the movement currently known as cultural marxism. These breaches were codified for mainstream Protestants at the Anglican Lambeth Conference of 1930 and for Catholics at the Vatican II Council. Subtle surrenders at these councils gradually sapped the will of the faithful to uphold their respective traditions. The newer Evangelical movement has filled some of the Christian vacuum by combining reclaimed portions of mainstream Protestantism with modern secular Zionism.


23 posted on 12/28/2011 4:45:05 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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The first question is ridicules. It’s called faith for a reason. Although the more faith you have, or allow yourself to have, God reveals himself in a very real way.


26 posted on 12/28/2011 5:25:53 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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mark for later reading


32 posted on 12/29/2011 3:33:35 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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The phenomenon this author describes was written about extensively by Francis Schaeffer over 40 years ago. I highly recommend Schaeffer’s “Trilogy” for any reader. His work “How than shall we live” is probably most accessible to a general audience. Since Schaeffer deals with Christian philosophy there should be nothing objectionable to Cathohlics in most of his writings. Just as Catholic writer Peter Kreeft appeals to many Protestant readers because his works on Christian philosophy avoid doctrinal issues for the most part.


35 posted on 12/29/2011 6:35:55 AM PST by circlecity
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