Posted on 12/28/2011 5:47:17 PM PST by rzman21
Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Pope’s former point man on ecumenism, writes:
“Likewise, in the ecumenical movement, the Church takes part in an exchange of gifts with the separated Churches (cf. Ut Unum Sint, nn. 28, 57), enriches them and at the same time makes their gifts her own; she brings them to the fullness of their catholicity and thereby fully attains her own catholicity (cf. Unitatis Redintegratio, n. 4).
Mission and ecumenism are two forms of the eschatological journey and the eschatological dynamic of the Church.
The Council was not so ingenuous as to ignore the danger that integrating the ecumenical movement into the Church’s dynamic eschatology could entail. This dynamic, as has happened all too often in the Church’s history, could have been erroneously interpreted as a progressivist movement that saw the heritage of ancient traditions as obsolete, rejecting it in the name of what might be termed a progressivist conception of faith. Wherever this occurs there is a real risk of relativism and indifferentism, of “cheap ecumenism” that ends by becoming superfluous. This has at times meant that the ecumenical movement has fallen prey to movements critical of the Church, and this has been exploited against her.
Dogmatic laxism leads to the refusal to recognize the essence of the Church’s eschatological dimension. The eschaton does not in fact refer to a future reality that is located outside history. With Jesus Christ and with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, it has definitively entered history and is present in the Church.”
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PCCUR40Y.HTM
Catholics cannot engage in an “I’m OK, you’re OK” mentality vis-a-vis Protestantism. If Protestants have a problem, then we will just have to agree to disagree, agreeably.
We can’t be relativists.
I believe in Jesus,what religion am i? Who cares which one?
You might be a relativist, but still, “God bless you!”
There is a religion that wants us all dead yesterday.It is not Protestant nor Catholic.A billion plus followers that believe in death of you and me as infidels.I am a proud Catholic and tolerate all until it becomes personal and or is divisive to our country.Americas faith is one of the foundations of our great nation.Remember the Four Chaplains.Their story is inspiring and makes this discussion petty.
How do you respond to criticisms of top-down Catholic church management? The congregations don’t have a substantial self-governing role. And i’m not talking about on matters of doctrine, but matters of budgeting, management and personnel. So you get the cases of abusive priests being shuffled around, sent to new parishes where the people have no idea about their background.
In most protestant denominations, the congregation has a direct role in choosing who will pastor them, and they can fire, too.
Yes, I agree. But if you believe in something you should be able to defend it in an intelligent way and not resort to name calling or twisting words around. It must be reasonable and worthy. We're not trying to convert each other (or at least I'm not) but hopefully understand WHY you believe something. Catholics believe something because the Church tells them what to believe. Protestants find that unacceptable.
You wrote:
“My Catholic uncle was the one who taught me that we Methodists are just Baptists with shoes.”
A former Lutheran minister told it to me this way: “Methodists are just Baptists who can read.”
t I believe I Jesus, what religion am I?
Steve Woods, author, sounds like a dishonest scammer.
I hope the Roman Catholic Church can do something good with him...
You wrote:
“People like you would set us back and turn us against each other all over again. I won’t have any part of it.”
You’re posting in the thread so it looks like you’re part of it.
Hey n00b, did you sign up in September 2011 to post divisive stuff?
It appears this has been your specialty so far.
Catholics believe something because the Church tells them what to believe. Protestants find that unacceptable.
>>Truth is not an individual thing. The Protestant idea that the subjective is the truth and that individuals create their own truth is why our culture is plagued by moral and religious relativism today.
Protestantism=Liberalism.
Mr. Piper...
You repeat yourself!
If you have entrusted yourself to the Gospel of Grace of the Savior, I consider you a Christian.
You wrote:
“Steve Woods, author, sounds like a dishonest scammer.”
Well, he WAS a Protestant minister.
I don’t think Christian management is all that concerned about whether we’re Catholic or Protestant as long as we’re working toward the same goal.
“Well, he WAS a Protestant minister.”
If you hold the view that all ministers are scammers, I believe you are wrong.
However, now, he is your scammer! As I wrote, I hope the RC church can do something very good with him now.
In most protestant denominations, the congregation has a direct role in choosing who will pastor them, and they can fire, too.
>>So then you have anarchy.
17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Hebrews 13:17
If you believe in Christ as your Savior and the Son of God, then you are a Christian in faith. Whether you have the fullness of faith is another issue of course.
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