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Polygamous family launches challenge of Utah law
FoxNews/AP ^ | Dec. 19, 2011

Posted on 12/30/2011 5:23:14 AM PST by Colofornian

Edited on 12/30/2011 5:44:11 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: reaganaut

I missed this post yesterday, but thank you very much for it. I will read it now, but wanted to touch base with you and express my thanks for posting all of that information.


101 posted on 12/31/2011 2:45:40 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Is it really time to go?)
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To: Darkwolf377

No problem. I hope in answered some questions.


102 posted on 12/31/2011 7:54:18 AM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: Colofornian

I will be the first to admit that if men and women were made to get married before they had any children and only to one wife that would be a good thing for the children and also the taxpayers, however i know of only one polygamist family in my hundred mile radius neighborhood, and the kids , both boys and girls seem to be the ideals.

However the unwed mothers and the shack ups both drawing welfare are all over the place, why do i think this is all just a bunch of political crap or maybe the great white washed crowed of dead mens bones are coming back to life.


103 posted on 12/31/2011 10:17:30 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: Lurker

How consenting adults order their lives, as long as no force or fraud is involved, or direct harm comes to others, is absolutely none of the Governments business.

Nor is it any of yours.


Amen to that.


104 posted on 12/31/2011 10:22:15 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: Colofornian

#1...If you were consistent with your own view, you would stay off commenting on threads like these. After all, it would be “none of YOUR business,” either.


I admit we need to draw a line based on Gods teaching, but why the polygamy issue all of a sudden, with the queers trying to take over the kids and the unwed mothers all over the place, it beats me why people can condone homosexuality which God calls an abomination as choice and make such a big deal out of Polygamy.

I can understand a womans objection to polygamy, and that is nothing more than anger because they feel that women are being put down, its their pride of being put down rather than anything to do with right or wrong.

But a man that considers him self as being such, being more angry over polygamy and making a bigger deal over it than he would the homosexual movement just boggles my mind, are we entering another Sodom and Gomorrah era?

And by the way Those two cities were destroyed because of Homosexuality, not because of bigamy.


105 posted on 12/31/2011 10:44:33 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: dragonblustar

How consenting adults order their lives,

When they start popping out illegitimate children that carry on their disfunction and become a burden to society, i.e. collecting food stamps and government health care, it becomes my business.


I agree, but lets get to the real issue which is welfare and not Polygamy, its the unwed mothers, its alright if they sleep with a different man every night, but don,t let them get married to some one who can take care of them if he has a wife.


106 posted on 12/31/2011 10:51:13 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: svcw

This was the next step, once homosexual “marriage” is normalized polygamy was not far behind. I wonder when we will have challenges centering around polyandry, I mean what are we going to do with those extra men after all.


I do not put Polygamy in the cesspool with Homosexualism.


107 posted on 12/31/2011 10:53:59 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: reaganaut

Every time one of these cases comes up there is evidence of fraud. You have your head in the sand. Unless of course you are a polygamist.


Proof?


108 posted on 12/31/2011 10:57:30 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: reaganaut

Then there’s that pesky part of the 1st Amendment which says “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof” to deal with.
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You are forgetting something. There are laws which do limit certain aspects of religious observance, murder, trade and possession of body parts, cannibalism, and yes Polygamy have all be outlawed.


Just a question, let me know where these are forbidden in the Constitution.


109 posted on 12/31/2011 11:01:03 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: reaganaut

That still does not change the fact that Joseph Smith is behind most of modern day polygamy, not Texas.

I don’t get your love for Mormons, I really don’t, especially considering your hatred for Protestants.


Polygamy is as old as prostitution, and murder.


110 posted on 12/31/2011 11:03:57 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf

Posted above. And not all laws are specified in the Constitution.


111 posted on 12/31/2011 11:06:06 AM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: ravenwolf

And it still doesn’t make it right or legal.


112 posted on 12/31/2011 11:07:21 AM PST by reaganaut (Mormonism is all about glory to self, not Glory to God. - which explains Mitt Romney)
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To: ravenwolf

Then where do you put it?


113 posted on 12/31/2011 11:09:42 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Jim Noble

If you read Casey, Lawrence, and Romer, there is NO QUESTION that polygamy will be legalized 5-4, unless those precedents are overruled OR the Court declines to follow precedent.


That will be great, with all of the panty wearing men turning to other men that will leave a lot of women for me, but i will most likely be in the same situation Solomon was in.

I won,t have the thousand wives, the thousand wives will have me.


114 posted on 12/31/2011 11:13:40 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf

Really? Learn some historical context.


115 posted on 12/31/2011 11:26:21 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Pebcak

Here is proof that they are getting Government subsidies as well as falsifying information. Note that the primary income listed on the bankruptcy filing of Christine Allred (Brown) is public assistance.

Kody and Meri Brown, the only legally married pair have one biological child. Again, falsified information.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57692053/Kody-Meri-Brown-BK

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57590939/Bankruptcy-Filing-of-Sister-Wife-Christine-Allred-Brown-3-2010

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57590942/Detailed-Assets-Debts-in-the-Bankruptcy-Filing-of-Sister-Wives-Star-Christine-Allred-Brown-3-2010

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57591862/Bankruptcy-Filing-of-Sisterwives-Star-Janelle-Brown-1997

The above documents are public information.


What is that? two or three cases, i live in a town of 1000 and there are at least 50 unwed mothers drawing welfare.


116 posted on 12/31/2011 11:27:13 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: UCANSEE2

What say you all?


I would say there is only one way for a man to have more than one wife, and that is if that wife actually gives him his second wife, as was the case in Abraham and Jacob and the man should be able to support them and their children, if he is found to be a fraud and deliberately goes on the welfare system he should be hanged by the neck.


117 posted on 12/31/2011 11:34:59 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: reaganaut

Posted above. And not all laws are specified in the Constitution.


Maybe they are unconstitutional then.


118 posted on 12/31/2011 11:44:51 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf
I agree, but lets get to the real issue which is welfare and not Polygamy, its the unwed mothers, its alright if they sleep with a different man every night, but don,t let them get married to some one who can take care of them if he has a wife.

Wrong. When a men beds more than one woman, he not only has the chance to spread disease but also a chance to get the woman pregnant, which causes further social problems. Boys are often kicked out of polygamist groups and they become a burden on the state or they will act out because they often have no social position or money/property. Look at the country where polygamy is and you'll see more violence towards women. Rapes occur more often because the balance of woman to men becomes distorted.

The real problem is when men start thinking about their penises and having rights over the the betterment of society and women.

119 posted on 12/31/2011 11:56:52 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: reaganaut

And it still doesn’t make it right or legal.


It probably is not legal but i am not sure you can judge if it is right or not except in your own case.

1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

We have to judge for our selves if it is edifying or not.

It is certain to me that paul was talking about things that were not clearly condeemed by Gods laws, Paul said that for a man to lie with another man as he would lie with a woman was an abomination, he would not contradict himself by saying that was lawful.

However the only thing he said about Polygamy was that a Bishop or deacon or an elder that wanted to become one of these should have only one wife, in other words an elder who had more than one wife could not become a Bishop or Deacon.


120 posted on 12/31/2011 12:04:06 PM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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