Posted on 01/06/2012 1:48:07 PM PST by NYer
Ping!
Back in the 80s it was primarily Baptists who were being accused. In one case near me the whole congregation was accused and lost their children for a while.
That witchhunt fell apart when it was proved that the child psychologists involved in the cases were coaching small children to make up stories of molestation.
Obviously it does occasionally happen but only an idiot would believe that its widespread and institutionalized.
Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, when the scandal was front & center, pointed out (without defending the Church’s handling of the crimes) that in one week in the NYC public school system five different children were assaulted by school employees.
Never made “the news”...and he had names, dates, places.
There is no defense for sexaul assault of a minor; there is also no defense for holding one group to a much higher standard than others.
Its really about destroying Christianity.
Speaking as a non Catholic, IMO the problems with molestation have been due to organization, not Catholicism. There is a certain vulnerability to corruption within all organizations but they can be cleaned up and monitored by honest people from within.
You know, you'd think the Baptists on FR would remember this fact and be a little sympathetic for the Catholic Church. But, no, their hatred for the Catholicism causes them to partner with the likes of SNAP in denigrating the Catholic Church. Sad.
I agree that there are some really nasty anti-Catholics on this forum whose postings are a disgrace to it. I agree that many such have used the sins of some Catholic Priests as fuel for their anti-Catholic diatribes.
BUT
I can't think of any of those vitriolic anti-Catholics who are Baptists.
Other denominations, yes. But not Baptists.
As a protestant I hope the Catholic Church does get to clean up the infection with whatever medicine it takes. I wish the church the best.
The problem is that the Catholic Church provides a hiding place (if not a breeding ground) for the pederasts that infect them. The church cannot challenge this doctrine, as far as I know.
Some of the best defense and justification of marriage (between a man and a woman) that I have heard or read comes from the Catholic church. This is a sacrament that protects men from their own baser instincts, but is denied to their priests.
Bingo!
Really? I guess I could be mistaken, but I always thought that was the case. I do realize that only a tiny minority of Baptists really hate the Catholic Church, but it seems every time I cross an anti-Catholic bigot here on FR he’s a Baptist.
Seems to me that every time I run across one of these vile creatures, he's either a presbyterian or denies any denominational affiliation.
I'll admit that I don't keep a scorecard ... life is just too short for that.
“There is a certain vulnerability to corruption within all organizations but they can be cleaned up and monitored by honest people from within.”
I think it was obvious fairly quickly that some bishops themselves were compromised (Weakland being one of the more obvious ones, but there were others). One of the Florida dioceses replaced their bishop with another that had to step down within months because of accusations against HIM; how much were these guys going to “clean house”?
I was raised Methodist in a diverse family where virtually all Christian denominations were represented at Christmas dinner.
It's a vile bigot thing, not a particular denomination thing.
Sifting through files in search of an accusation made decades ago and then removing the accused does nothing to protect children. It sounds more like back sides being protected.
If the news media have used a double standard (like anyone would expect otherwise) toward accused priests then so has the Catholic church.
The bishops that acted as enablers for the guilty certainly weren't tossed out on mere accusation.
I didn't see any mention of the Dallas Charter and the role it plays in dealing with accusations.
The media always portray the problem as “pedophilia,” which I understand as the perverted attraction of adult men to prepubescent girls.
For some reason, the media never describe it for what it is; the attraction older faggots have for adolescent boys.
Here is a little trick I learned several years ago if they say they are nondenominational: Ask them if they support infant Baptism? If they are against it then they are most certainly Baptist or have Baptist roots. Quite a few of the Baptists switched to calling themselves Non-Denom after and precisely due to the abuse scandals. I have found quite a few that have joined up since the scandals and don't even know that their groups have Baptist backgrounds.
What doctrine would that be, Chief? (I doubt you realize that the Vatican banned the ordination of homosexuals and pederasts in February of 1961. Can you provide documentation that any protestant denomination has done the same?)
This is a sacrament that protects men from their own baser instincts, but is denied to their priests.
Incorrect on several levels:
(1) Normal men aren't pederasts
(2) The majority of pedophiles are married men
(3) 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church, ordain, as a norm, married men. Those men who seek ordination in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church do so of their own free will. No one holds a gun to their head and forces them to adopt the discipline of celibacy.
The question you need to ask yourself is not why do Priests in the Latin Rite adopt the discipline of celibacy but why don't all ministers follow the example of Christ, the Apostles and the counsel of St. Paul? Quite frankly, you don't have a very good comprehension of what the Ministerial Priesthood of the Ordained entails.
"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment." 1 Corinthians 7:32-35
A.A., thanks for teaching me about Catholic doctrine and policy (no sarcasm here). I am learning all the time, and you have helped me.
I was already sure that there was no policy allowing ordination of KNOWN or admitted pederasts or active homosexuals. I believe that many covert ones see the priesthood as a place to prey and avoid marriage to a woman. They look for opportunities like being a Boy Scout master etc..
Why celibacy? Why shouldn’t priests get to enjoy (or suffer) marriage, especially if they are going to marry people and give counsel and advice to married couples?
To me, the bigger scandal is the higher ranking men like Mahoney who enable and cover up the crimes.
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