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New Romney Ad Embraces Mormonism
The Daily Beast.com ^ | Jan. 7, 2012

Posted on 01/07/2012 10:49:40 PM PST by Colofornian

Mitt Romney has realized that he can't avoid the issue of his Mormon religion, so he might as well embrace it. The Republican frontrunner's new South Carolina mail campaign emphasizes Romney's deep religious beliefs and 42-year marriage, in an effort to win over 60 percent of the state's Republicans that are evangelical or "born again" Christians. The ad, however, doesn't dive head first into touting Romney's Mormonism, but instead refers heavily to his "faith" and how it will influence him as president, also assuring South Carolina voters that the White House contender is "pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-family."


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To: Loud Mime
I just don’t like conceited bigots, be they Baptists, Catholics, Mormans or Islamists.

You must find it hard to live with yourself then.

51 posted on 01/08/2012 10:27:58 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Scoutmaster
Respectfully, you're a generation off. Two of Mitt Romney's great-great grandfathers (Miles Park Romney and Helaman Pratt) practiced polygamy, but his grandfathers weren't polygamists.

You are right, I had accepted it after seeing it on a few threads and had not verified it myself.

Great grandfather Miles Park Romney had fives wives and 31 children?

52 posted on 01/08/2012 10:37:29 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: reaganaut
“We have no revelation on abortion”

Didn’t you assume Mormons were pro-life? That’s certainly the image their church attempts to broadcast, and most Mormons, in fact, mistakenly believe their church opposes abortion and regards it as an objective evil. But not so.

Indeed, the Mormon church accepts abortion for a number of reasons. The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer (156).

This same Handbook, the official policies of the Mormon church to be followed by all local church leaders throughout the world, also claims: “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Previous teachings by former Mormon prophets referred to the unborn child as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and decried abortion as “killing,” “a grievous sin,” “a damnable practice.” Spencer W. Kimball, the prophet who died in 1985, taught, “We have repeatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).

It appears that this “unalterable” position, constantly “affirmed,” is just another in a series of doctrinal and moral teachings that Mormons have reworded, reworked, rescinded, or reneged—though never officially renounced. Such is the quality of the Mormon belief in “continuing revelation.” Don’t expect dogmatic or ethical consistency. Rather, look for expediency and conformity with “the times.”

A further statement in the Handbook says: “The church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion (156).” While the Mormon prophet claims to speak the mind and will of God, he can neither figure out when the unborn child becomes human or if it is God’s desire that we protect the unborn unconditionally.

Your Mormon friend will offer the excuse that his church leaves many decisions to the free agency (free will) of its people, and that abortion is one such concern. You might point out the irony in the fact that the Mormon church has no hesitation or uncertainty in making the following declarations:

1. “The church opposes gambling in any form” (including lotteries). Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).

2. The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form (158).

3. Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).

There is no need for a member to pray for divine guidance or seek church approval for such activities, for there will be no divine or ecclesiastical finessing of morality to permit even an occasional bingo game. A prayerful game of poker, unrepented, will bar the member from the temple and ultimate salvation; a prayerful, by-the-book abortion, unrepented, won’t.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mormon-stumpers
53 posted on 01/08/2012 10:44:56 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Loud Mime
At least as a Catholic you would know better than to try and claim that Mormons are Christians, the Catholic church is clear that they are not.

This is from Catholic Answers and is part of their list of non-Christian religions.

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54 posted on 01/08/2012 10:49:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Rome2000

Sorry, I was wrong on him having 3 grandmothers, look at posts 33 and 52, it was the great grandads.


55 posted on 01/08/2012 10:54:43 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

Thank you for posting that. People assume Mormons are pro-life because they have a lot of kids and generally oppose birth control for that reason.

However, rather than having kids because they believe life begins at conception and being genuinely pro-life, it is because their theology teaches that their job is to provide bodies for God’s spirit children who are waiting to come down and ‘work out their Salvation’. These spirit children cannot progress to godhood if they don’t have bodies and the best of them should be born to Mormon families where they grow up in ‘the Church’ and know the right doctrines rather than risk them not converting.

Officially the LDS have no statement about when the spirit enters the body, but most of my LDS friends believe it is at birth or shortly before, so abortion isn’t THAT big of a deal, because the spirit child will get another chance to get a body.


56 posted on 01/08/2012 11:06:44 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: BurningOak; ansel12
The whole argument is moot. Romney is as Mormon as Pelosi is Catholic. He takes his religion as seriously as he takes his conservatism...

(Hey, it's OK to be ignorant on certain subjects...I'm plenty of that on a LOT of topics...but when you are one on a given topic -- like you are on this one -- may I suggest you reconsider exporting that)

To expound on what Ansel12 told you, Mitt held Lds offices of Missionary, Missionary Zone Leader, assistant to…Mission President, Bishop and Stake President…

As one Lds bishop's daughter (Tricia Erickson) said, "…You cannot attain the 'calling'…to serve as Mormon Bishop or Stake President unless you are a thoroughly entrenched and obedient Mormon…"

Oh, and if you REALLY think if Mitt's Mormondom is at the same level as Pelosi's Catholicism, please...just tell us what convent she served in...what Mother Teresa missionary-like role she served in...etc. etc. etc.

Oh, you can't?

Your ignorance slip is showing.

You do that too much around here and your credibility wardrobe will be deemed highly lacking.

57 posted on 01/08/2012 11:53:16 AM PST by Colofornian (Romney = pro-abortion)
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To: Loud Mime
The anti-Mormon bigotry on Free Republic is hilarious, yet sad.

Here: Have some MORE sad laughs!!!


But do NOT call it bigotry...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

58 posted on 01/08/2012 11:56:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: elcid1970
It was when I learned that the LDS says very ugly things about the Catholic Church that I began to dig into the BoM and other sacred Mormon documents.
59 posted on 01/08/2012 11:59:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: elcid1970
Holy smoke how can anyone believe all that fantastical poppycock!?

They haven't dug... yet.

60 posted on 01/08/2012 12:00:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: montag813
PUT HIM ON THE DEFENSIVE over it. Stop pussyfooting around.
61 posted on 01/08/2012 12:01:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: montag813
...if he believes God had intercourse with Mary (do they really believe this???)...

Well; SOMEbody, HIGH in MORMON rank long ago sure did; and NO 'official' statements out of Salt Lake City have said otherwise; so...

What do YOU think?

62 posted on 01/08/2012 12:04:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ansel12
Great grandfather Miles Park Romney had fives wives and 31 children?

That's what Todd Compton says. He's a pretty thorough researcher (perhaps not as much as D. Michael Quinn, Ph.D.), but he admits that he is a faithful LSD historian and he is something of a middle-grounder when it comes to faith-promoting history.

Which means the award-winning book, In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, is faithful history when it says that Smith approached the families of his teenage wives and told them that (a) God said he (Smith) would be destroyed if he didn't marry their teenaged daughters, and (b) the eternal lives of their entire families depended on giving their teenaged daughters to him as a polygamous wife. And that when Smith was put in a small room with the teenaged girl, he told some of those girls that (a) he, as her religion's prophet, would be destroyed by god if she didn't marry him and (b) her eternal soul and the eternal souls of her family depending on marrying him.

Compton based his book on the wive's diaries, letters, and other accounts, and the diaries and letters of their friends and families members. Contemporaneous accounts, mostly.

63 posted on 01/08/2012 12:53:02 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: reaganaut
A counter however to the rank and file going out on a limb rather than it coming directly from LDS inc is I was very clearly, very specifically told while I was training for my LDS mission to deny, lie, twist, dissemble or confuse the situation when certain LDS doctrines, history and teachings came up.

I'm not an ex-Mormon, so I have no experience with this. For now, without suggesting that you are wrong, may I just say that I believe some LDS believe they are protecting the church as was done from the very beginning with not telling the truth to the public or the non-leader Mormon's about polygamy (and justified as protecting the church), all the way through Hinckley's dissembling on Larry King, and Dalin Oak's speech, and Boyd K. Packer's speech, and another twenty+ things I could site?

In recent days, I've pointed out that LDS.org rewrote its page on how polygamy ended (gradually versus "ENDED") with the 1890 Manifesto since May - whether coincidentally (and incorrectly), or because of Warren Jeffs, or because of Romney's candidacy. I've noted that MormonVoices.org has . . . well . . . blatantly lied about whether the issue of 'gods over planets' is taught at LDS.org. The two LDS experts, including the Assistant Dean of Theology at BYU lied to Maureen Down last year on the same topic. One said is was unwritten lore, yet we have all of the written quotes by Brigham Young and five (was it five?) other prophets AND the current copy of Gospel Principles, and the CES materials for LDS youth . . . and many other writings.

Let's just say people are taking Apostle Dalin Oaks at his words. If you lie to protect the LDS church or a LDS member, then it's not considered morally wrong. I assume he meant to draw a line; for some people, that line is blurred.

64 posted on 01/08/2012 1:06:17 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Rome2000

Yeh, at the end of Meet The Press, there was a trailer for Brian Williams show regarding mittens strange Mexican family. Not sure why LSM is starting so early to take him down - maybe they think he needs a little innoculation to make it through the primaries.


65 posted on 01/08/2012 1:06:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Colofornian; Godzilla; Elsie; svcw; greyfoxx39; reaganaut
... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts

Point of Order? I thought the nudity/open side gowns, with the anointing with oil that including touching private areas ended with the Endowment Ceremony changes in 1990. The changes that, among other things, removed the specific oath and motions about slashing the throat and abdomen, and Satan paying the Protestant minister to preach non-Mormon gospel.

Didn't the touching of genitals disappear in 1990?

66 posted on 01/08/2012 1:16:36 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form

Huh. Utah leads the nation in # of porn subscriptions per capita, porn consumption among the general internet user population and dial-up users. Source 1, and Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?, Benjamin Edelman (Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 23, Number 1—Winter 2009—Pages 209–220). Utah also lead the nation in porn busts. FBI in Utah Lead Nation in Porn Busts.

67 posted on 01/08/2012 1:25:51 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster; aMorePerfectUnion; Colofornian; Godzilla; Elsie; svcw; greyfoxx39

Didn’t the touching of genitals disappear in 1990?

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No. The Initiatory ritual aka washing and anointing ceremony (which is separate from the endowment) did not change until 2005 and even then, the gown was only slightly modified. However, the initiates now put on the LDS garments (holy underwear) prior rather than after the ceremony.

Here is the info on the ceremony with footnotes of the changes.

http://ldsendowment.org/initiatory.html


68 posted on 01/08/2012 1:31:23 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: montag813

“Do we really think the ObamaNazis are going to avoid the long, vicious racism of the LDS? Not on your life. THEY are in it to win it.”

Exactly. Which is exactly why the Dems want Romney to get the GOP nomination. They figure he’s the easiest to defeat and BHO can spend less time campaigning and more time on vacation and signing executive orders.


69 posted on 01/08/2012 1:35:48 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Scoutmaster

Let’s just say people are taking Apostle Dalin Oaks at his words. If you lie to protect the LDS church or a LDS member, then it’s not considered morally wrong.

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I agree with that. My point was is that it isn’t isolated, it is part of the church culture as a whole. I was taught that about lying before Oaks’ speech and the September Six excommunication.

Although seeing others lie for the Lord does help justify it to individual members. If the leaders do it, it must be ok.


70 posted on 01/08/2012 1:36:21 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: reaganaut

“Although seeing others lie (about others) for the Lord does help justify it to individual members (and themselves)”.


71 posted on 01/08/2012 2:57:44 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Religion Forum is not for the faint-hearted or those not accustomed to being opposed.)
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To: greyfoxx39
It ain't lyin' to avoid commenting.

--MormonDude(Right Girls??)

72 posted on 01/08/2012 4:44:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BurningOak
Mormonism is my least concern. I would much prefer if he was a Book of Mormon thumping religious fanatic than the Demoncrat in drag he actually is.

They don't make those commie bashing mormons anymore....

73 posted on 01/08/2012 7:21:04 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian

Just my opinion but I think the left’s strategy is to get Romney to be the nominee. They think the religious right will not support Romney giving Obama an easy victory, the left also intend the smear the religious right as haters while portraying themselves as tolerant of other faiths....

If it looks like Obama is losing and they have to attack Mitt’s faith, the left will try to make it look like its coming from the right.


74 posted on 01/08/2012 7:29:46 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar
If it looks like Obama is losing and they have to attack Mitt’s faith, the left will try to make it look like its coming from the right.

A few Man-in-the-street interviews on TV and plastered on YouTube, and they are good to go!

75 posted on 01/09/2012 4:09:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dragonblustar
 "a lie will travel a thousand miles while truth is putting on her boots."
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/1864/01/14/news/how-a-lie-travels.html
 
...with little chance of their being thoroughly contradicted.

76 posted on 01/09/2012 4:21:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore; Scoutmaster
2. The church also opposes [correctly, of course] pornography in any form (158).

Not true.

Imagine, say, a local little grocery store owner who decided to sell videos in the back room of the store in the 1980s. And then he decided to offer another room where the porn industry could set up shop with their brand of videos.

And everybody in town knew it. And it provided a lucrative side business for the local store owner.

So, lucrative that he began duplicating the small stores with a side porn business in every major city and plenty of minor communities.

Well, that's the Marriott Hotel. They began selling porn by 1989.

Per Wikipedia, the Mormon church hierarchy rewarded Bill Marriott's porn acumen: "In 1997 Marriott was called by the church to be an Area Authority Seventy and member of the Fifth Quorum of the Seventy.[3] This was split in 2004 and Marriott joined the newly-created Sixth Quorum of the Seventy, serving until his release on October 1, 2011.[4][5][6]"
Source: Bill Marriott

Why. How "heartwarming" is that?

And then, of course, Marriott paid Mitt Romney $25,000 per year plus stock to be a Board member for the porn industry, Marriott.

A true church opposing porn in ANY form would oppose the local store owner pulling in some of his income from filmed prostitutes feeding the addictions of voyeurs. At the very least, they wouldn't reward such man -- as they did Bill Marriott -- by pulling him into the church hierarchy from 1997-2011.

Scoutmaster is right: Utah leads the nation in porn usage for a reason.

77 posted on 01/09/2012 5:43:26 AM PST by Colofornian (Romney = pro-abortion)
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To: Loud Mime; Zakeet
Interesting points. Let us look at the other side of the argument. Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Wayne Williams, William Bonin, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Glover, Ted Kaczinsky, Dennis Rader, Richard Ramirez and Seung-Hui Cho were not Mormon. That list is LONG.

Well, Ted Bundy was a Mormon. The guy that shot up (& killed some people) @ that Colorado Springs church some years back was also a Mormon convert.

So, if being Mormon drastically reduces the odds that someone will be a mass-murderer, Mormonism may be a good thing, right? [Loud Mime]

Article excerpts:

* A Mormon teenager will stand trial for allegedly helping her lover to kill his 16-year-old ex-girlfriend, a judge has ruled. Toni Fratto, 19, and Kody Patten, 18, are accused of hitting Micaela Costanzo over the head with a shovel, cutting her throat and then burying her body in a shallow grave just outside West Wendover, Nevada.
Source: Teenager 'helped fiancé beat his ex-girlfriend to death with shovel'
* ...admitted killer Christopher A. Gribble begins Monday with the selection of jurors who will decide whether Gribble was legally insane when he and Steven Spader slaughtered a Mont Vernon mother and maimed her daughter during a random 2009 home invasion...His trial in Hillsborough County Superior Court likely will differ from that of his machete-wielding accomplice Spader, found guilty by a jury Nov. 9 of all six counts of first-degree murder, attempted murder and related charges. Gribble, a Brookline Eagle Scout, admitted he stabbed and slashed local nurse Kimberly L. Cates, 42, to death with a knife and nearly killed her daughter, Jaimie, then 11, in the pre-dawn attack, but claimed he was insane at the time and not criminally responsible...Gribble is a high school graduate who grew up a devout Mormon and attended Sunday school at Spader's next-door neighbor's house.
Source: Gribble insanity trial jury selection begins (A REAL MORMON)

And then, how does that ongoing "roster" of other Mormon killers impact your assumptions?

Mormon murderers like...
...Gary Gilmore & Ronnie Lee Gardner...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-Philippines Arthur Gary Bishop...
...or 5-time Mormon killer Glenn Taylor Helzer...
...Or ex-Lds missionary murderer to Winnipeg Mark Hacking...
...Or bomber-murderer-scammer Mark Hofmann...
...or ex-Lds missionary-to-France fugitive murderer Jason Brown...
...or 19th century murderer Porter Rockwell, one of Brigham Young's and Joseph's Smith's body guards...
...or Wild Bill Hickman, another of Young's body guards, who wrote a "tell-all" book about it...
....or the dozens to hundreds of Mormon child mass murderers/mommy&daddy mass murderers never even brought to trial for the execution-style Mountain Meadows Massacre...

I mean, Arthur Gary Bishop, Mark Hacking, and Jason Brown were all former Lds missionaries. I mean what? Do we find all kinds of murderers in the former CHRISTIAN missionary population?

Yes? Where?

78 posted on 01/09/2012 6:02:16 AM PST by Colofornian (Romney = pro-abortion)
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To: Colofornian

79 posted on 01/09/2012 6:08:05 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Romney is Obama.)
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To: EternalVigilance

bttt


80 posted on 01/09/2012 8:32:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
or 19th century murderer Porter Rockwell . . .

Would that be Porter Rockwell of:

LDS Instructional Manual
Chapter Twenty-One
Growing Conflict in Illinois
Subheading: Renewed Threat in Missouri
"Unfortunately, Porter Rockwell was arrested"

Fame?

I'm a gentile and I'm not supposed to be reading that. That instruction manual of LDS history is for teaching LDS youth and I back-doored it. You need an official LDS password to view American history and LDS history as it's being taught in seminary (14-18 years old) and institutes (college age).


81 posted on 01/09/2012 5:38:54 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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