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To: rzman21
God has nothing whatever to do with the “sacred violence” of the sacrificial system – breaks through into our history in person, in the flesh, as God incarnate.[17] Jesus is the “final sacrifice”, the “ultimate victim”, because with his own self-sacrifice all sacrifice (of others) ends precisely because he is God: he dis-illusions the world, he “takes away” our sinful delusions that God requires our sacrificial “sacred violence” in order to be appeased. Even the idea that we have to give an expiatory victim to God in atonement for our sins (or indeed that we have anything at all that we can give to God) is radically subverted:

what does this mean in plain english? Sin sacrifice was set forth by God in Mosaic Law. Are you saying the 5 books of Moses arent scripture?

what about sacrifices that ARENT sin sacrifices? there are also fellowship sacrifices and 'burnt offering' sacrifices (see 'nazirite vow') or 'thanksgiving sacrifices'

this sounds like someone is 'adding to scripture' things that arent there. That is breaking a big rule.

The biblical revelation is that God certainly does not want our neighbour’s bloody corpse “in atonement for our sins” – or the deluded play-acting of religious substitutionary ritual sacrifice the Bible bluntly calls “scapegoating”. On the contrary: such “atonement”, far from “appeasing God”, is the very “sin of the world” by which the world bestows its own peace upon itself. Such “sacred violence” is the hidden foundation of the world as we make it, not as God would have it be.

then explain to me why God specifically put this in Mosaic Law? Either this author IS COMPLETELY WRONG and teaching false and dangerous ideas with no basis in scripture, or he is saying to tear out the first 5 books of the bible because 'God didnt say that'

im pretty sure that the author of this piece took his advice too literally. he has no idea what he is reading.
2 posted on 01/12/2012 9:59:11 PM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: wafflehouse

It’s the difference between sacrificing other for God or sacrificing self for God, that’s all. Sacrificing self is what is needed.


4 posted on 01/13/2012 6:52:38 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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