Posted on 01/22/2012 12:01:16 PM PST by NYer
Ummm, You’re leaving something out here brother. Two never maried in the church before are being refused the sacrament in a Catholic church? Somethins fishy here. C’mon! Name the reason they were refused!
The priest that refused us bought his Thunderbird from my deceased (by suicide) father’s dealership...any other questions?
That still doesn't compute. What does that have to do with marrying you? You're not brother and sister, are you. Nah, your profile page doesn't list you as being in Arkansas so probably not. Forget I asked.
I guess he felt we hadn’t been tithing enough near as I can figure. No problem, we’re happy agnostics now.
Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion is probably what you mean. Only a validly ordained Priest is a Eucharistic minister, as taught in Redemptionis Sacramentum. If several Eucharistic ministers(sic) were already there, there would have been no need to invite another one.
I’ve heard of some parents seriously regretting their decision to reproduce.
You might be happy now but get back to us after your particular judgment.
So one negative experience with a dolt of a priest and your belief in God is blown away. Must have been quite a deep faith.
I mean think about it. If the human beings representing God’s church turn out to be human and therefore less than perfect, then by golly I am going to doubt the very existence of God Himself.
Now there’s a Mensa moment for you.
>> Also, who can forget the first man and woman who were married were not married in a church building, but rather in the open Garden of Eden. By God Himself, no less. <<
Yeah, and how’d that work out? Do people in your congregation show up naked? The mass is a “foretaste of Heaven.” The elements of the sacred space are related from the Book of Revelation’s depiction on Heaven.
Yes, of course! Thank you for the lesson. :)
Forgive me for saying this, but you don’t sound happy nearly as much as you sound bitter. I hope I’m wrong, though.
hmmm... i didn’t quite understand your post. Why weren’t you allowed to marry in Church?
As far as we know Adam and Eve didn’t divorce, and had many, many, many children through their very long lives.
Well, sure, they just damned the entire human race to hell. No “big” problems. (You are being funny, right?)
Ummm, no. It wasn’t because they got married outside that caused the fall of mankind.
I was being silly. I was HOPING you were being silly.
You want your serious answer?
The Church is supposed to be a “foretaste of Heaven.” Adam and Eve were in paradise. They rejected that paradise, and were expelled from it. The Church is sign to us that we will someday be with God in Heaven. Adam and Ever were already with God.
If your local parish church doesn’t inspire you much, well Catholics CAN find churches that are more inspiring. But whereas your local parish may be very inexpensive, (ours was free, because we found our own cantor, organist, etc.), you might have to pay... significantly if it’s a grand church with high maintenance costs and high demand.
Yes, God is outdoors, too. God is everywhere. But each church contains the tabernacle, his chosen dwelling place among Man. And choosing to mark your marriage with that sacred place signifies that you are putting God front and center in your marriage.
Now, Catholic masses can take place outdoors, if there is an extraordinary issue. The Pope frequently has outdoor masses simply because the outdoor venues are larger. But that’s a special circumstance where a church is inadequate, not that the Pope doesn’t find churches to be beautiful and sacred in a special way. There are also certain venues which are designed to regularly permit outdoor services. But don’t be cheesed off if they don’t play along with being used as a loophole.
All I am saying is that there’s no explicit command given in the bible, by Jesus, or God the Father, nor through any of the writers inspired by God, that says weddings have t be performed inside a church. This is something decided by a pope for reasons other than that. Masses are held outside, communion is held outside, confessions can be taken anywhere. I’m just saying it’s denominational convention and tradition rather than required because Scripture requires it.
Also in the article it did point out there are some churches that will turn away those in their denomination from a wedding because they aren’t local members. Not sure what these folks are to do if they are trying to ‘play by the rules’ and be married inside a church.
The words you're looking for are "valid" (was it really the Mass?) and "licit" (was it offered in the proper manner, with the permission of the Bishop?)
To both, I would be inclined to say "yes". Outdoor Mass is not the norm, but it is permitted when appropriate.
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