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To: EnglishCon

God was not quiet on this subject. He said, “Thou shalt not kill”. It’s really that simple.


7 posted on 01/24/2012 7:22:44 AM PST by Josephat (The old claim your evengelizing people who haven't heard the gospel, but go to a Catholic country tr)
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To: Josephat; All

Nothing against you personally (or anyone for that matter), Josephat, I just picked your name to have a tag to get this post on the blog.

Of all those who have been so stridently anti-aborton/pro-life, I find myself wondering how many of you are male? female?

As I said in my earlier post, I am male.


13 posted on 01/24/2012 8:09:51 AM PST by ixtl ( You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: Josephat
Actually, the commandment is 'Thou shalt not 'murder', which is even more salient since terminating the alive unborn is an act of murder ... the alive unborn are human beings, alive, and growing. Abortionists might better been thought of as serial killers, serial murderers rpotect in their evil by laws written to serve a 'utilitarian' purpose.

In the case of the founding fathers leaving the issue of abortion out of the Declaration and Constitution, when you look at what the eighteenth century beliefs on the beginning of life were, the status of a fetal person was not the same as our current scientific understanding of the gestational process.

There are arguments pro and con focused upon 'the quickening', etc. Technically, the word abortion has been in the lexicon of societies for thousands of years. To gleen the meaning attached thereto requires studying the cultures which invariably evolve over time.

The founding persons of this Republic left a lot of issues unexplored with the writing of the Constitution, the issue of slavery being one of them. But the issue of slavery nearly ended the Republic, and subsequent leaders begat the Amendment to the Constitution which addresed the issue and emancipated slaves, in theory, and made the issue thereafter dealt with by the Constitution.

If and when the people of the United States ever vote on an Amendment to establish personhood at a certain time certain in the gestational process, the issue of terminating the innocent life of an alive human being will have been dealt with, but like the issue of slavery, the vagaries of human selfishness will not be legislated away so some form of law enforcement will be involved in order to stand for the rights of the alive unborn.

Yes, the issues corollary to 'abortion' are many and convoluted, but one simple truth rises from the Gordian knot, the alive unborn are members of the human race and therefore human beings. To willfully terminate their innocent lives is biblically MURDER. Folks will continue to argue over when the alive unborn 'become a person', but the reality is far simpler: from the moemont of the first cell division following union of the spermatazoon and the ovum, there is a unique human being present at some stage of his or her lifetime. The society which chooses to remove the life from this new human being, if a truly civilized society and God fearing, mustw eigh the right to life of both mother and child.

In the not at all distant future, science will make it possible to remove an embryo from a woman endangered by the pregnancy and allow the new huamn to gestate in an artificial womb to birth age. Revisit these issues when that reality hits, and you will likely see a segment of the society still more than willing to murder the alive unborn because of utilitarian selfishness. If I am alive at that time in the life of this Republic, I will fight the harder to stop murder of the most innocent human beings among us, because God has already settle the truth of whom the alive unborn are and the evil of MURDERING them for selfish reasons..

17 posted on 01/24/2012 8:24:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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