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The Church of England's Fudge on Female Bishops is Breathtaking
The Guardian (UK) ^ | Andrew Brown

Posted on 01/24/2012 10:02:45 AM PST by marshmallow

In attempting to mollify opponents of female bishops, the House of Bishops has simply nourished the resistance

The Church of England's House of Bishops – for which, read the archbishops of Canterbury and York – has explained how they hope to mollify the opponents of female clergy. The proposals are breathtaking.

The archbishops envisage that the Church of England, once it has female bishops, will continue ordaining men who do not accept these women, finding them jobs they will deign to accept, and promoting some of them to be bishops who will work to ensure the continued supply of male priests who refuse to accept female clergy. In fact, the church will pay three bishops (the formerly "flying" sees of Ebbsfleet, Richborough, and Beverley) to work full time against their female colleagues, and to nourish the resistance.

The General Synod, last summer, rejected the archbishops' plan to fix a reservation in law where the opponents could live as if nothing had changed. Now they have brought back the same proposals, but call them "a code of practice" instead. In theory, this gives both sides what they want. In reality neither will find it easy to accept.

Obviously this will be unacceptable to most supporters of women's ordination. But the cream of the joke is that it will probably be unacceptable to their principled opponents as well. The unscrupulous ones will, of course, be very happy with the deal.

Despite all these concessions, there will be female bishops, as there are already female priests, and these will be treated exactly the same as male ones – except by the men who don't want to treat them equally and who believe that God has called them to undermine women's authority wherever it appears.

This is apparently Rowan Williams's idea of justice.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: gaychurch

1 posted on 01/24/2012 10:02:48 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The Church of England’s Fudge on Female Bishops is Breathtaking

Wow. Poor headline writing is epidemic. Funny, but epidemic.


2 posted on 01/24/2012 10:05:04 AM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: marshmallow

An example where “democracy” fails and a church falls. Thud.


3 posted on 01/24/2012 10:07:15 AM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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To: marshmallow

Apart from the theological issues, let’s just look at this pragmatically, from the historical vantage.

Every denomination that has gone down this road has (1) then moved to ordain homosexuals (first, “celibate”, then practicing homosexuals), and then (2) has eventually gone away, dwindling to practically nothing.


4 posted on 01/24/2012 10:10:13 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: jessduntno
The expression "Anglican fudge" is a wry acknowledgment by Anglicans themselves that their church is renowned for avoiding decisive action by "fudging," evading, and obfuscating serious issues, and basically blurring them so they can be kicked down the road.

The headline would read much more naturally to a Brit reader.

5 posted on 01/24/2012 10:12:14 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jessduntno
The expression "Anglican fudge" is a wry acknowledgment by Anglicans themselves that their church is renowned for avoiding decisive action by "fudging," evading, and obfuscating serious issues, and basically blurring them so they can be kicked down the road.

The headline would read much more naturally to a Brit reader.

6 posted on 01/24/2012 10:12:51 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: marshmallow

female pastors = UNBIBLICAL ;

whether it’s Catholic OR Protestant


7 posted on 01/24/2012 10:16:33 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fightinJAG
"Every denomination that has gone down this road has (1) then moved to ordain homosexuals (first, “celibate”, then practicing homosexuals), and then (2) has eventually gone away, dwindling to practically nothing."

(3) has also rejected Christ as the exclusive path to salvation.

Pluralism breeds more pluralism breeds idolatry breeds heresy.

8 posted on 01/24/2012 10:24:22 AM PST by circlecity
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To: fishtank
female pastors = UNBIBLICAL ; whether it’s Catholic OR Protestant

Quite so. I'm wondering if you could indicate where I might find one or more Catholic female pastors. I might want to tell them that they're UNBIBLICAL. I'll leave to you the job of passing the message on to Protestants.

9 posted on 01/24/2012 10:30:39 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow

I’m not sure why the Communist Guardian should have anything to say about the Church of England. Their dearest wish is to destroy the church completely, so there is nothing left but Communist-atheist ideology.

Does the author of this piece even believe in the existence of God? I doubt it. Then why should he take it upon himself to say what kind of bishops the church should have?


10 posted on 01/24/2012 10:51:14 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“fudging,” evading, and obfuscating serious issues, and basically blurring them so they can be kicked down the road.

I understand the term...it’s still awkward. Unless there was whipped cream involved, it’s a pretty cheeky headline, mate.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 10:56:51 AM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: hinckley buzzard

When I hear “Anglican Fudge” I think about homosexual Episcopalians and thier proclivities. It is not a pretty picture if you catch my drift.


12 posted on 01/24/2012 11:15:00 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: marshmallow

The simple solution is being overlooked. The C of E could just declare the females are males. end of problem, only “males” are being ordained.


13 posted on 01/24/2012 11:26:15 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: marshmallow

No offense but the visual representation of Christ isn’t there with a woman in the pulpit.

Every other job is available for women. It’s the whole Garden of Eden thing all over again. The one thing they can’t do biblically is the one they demand to do and somehow we all hate them and want them oppressed because they aren’t permitted to do that job - for no other reason is the qualifications set down in Scripture by God.


14 posted on 01/24/2012 12:14:11 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: fishtank

You can preach that in my church.


15 posted on 01/24/2012 12:14:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: count-your-change

In a similar solution, they could just say all priests and bishops will all be female. Get rid of all the guys and the only ones left to fill the roles would be female.

Equally stupid but I’m sure both ‘solutions’ were seriously discussed.


16 posted on 01/24/2012 12:16:36 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

We know that sense, but we also know the sense of the job title of Fudge Packer, as in “Tom Cruise Is A Fudge Packer.”


17 posted on 01/24/2012 1:20:35 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: marshmallow

Rowan Williams is a few brain cells shy of snake eyes.


18 posted on 01/24/2012 5:56:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: marshmallow

Let me be more exact:

This Anglican church is not any church that Christ founded.


19 posted on 01/24/2012 5:57:52 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: marshmallow

of course what will really happen is that those opposing female bishops or openly gay priests will simply find that they won’t be allowed to become priests. The end result will be that in a couple years time the church hierarchy will “accept” these changes.


20 posted on 01/25/2012 6:09:07 PM PST by LadyDoc
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