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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
You can’t be good,no matter how hard you try? What about all the honest people of this world? Hmm? The ones who are honest and pure-of-heart? The ones who help those in need?

Original sin passed on by means of continual production of new individuals having Adam's flesh and blood = every one. By man came death. There is none good but The God. One is a Jew when circumcised in the heart. Are you circumcised in the heart? Open to both men and women. Kind of spiritual brit milah. Covenant. No goin' back. Isaiah 53. Need to help others while we're just passin' through, though. Part 2 of the Law -- feels good, too.

One “bad” crosses out all the good? Really? People make mistakes. People make bad choices but that does not necessarily mean they are terrible.

Yep, yep, and yep -- for Heaven, that is. Not terrible by your and my standards, but by The God's. Hates sin. Kind of like HIV/AIDS (which He also hates) only more so. People seem to have to sin like they have to breathe or laugh - it's part of the package. Need to agree with Him, "repent" -- turn around 180 degrees in the mind, trust Him. Like Job, Abraham, Itzaak, Ribkah, Yakov, Moshe, David, Schmuel, Yeremiah, BarTimaeus, Samaritan woman, etc.

I thought we wee made in G-d’s image. Why would He create humans who are low-down,dishonest,good-for-nothing cretins?

Adam was. Eve was. They chose to sin and because of that, Sin infected every cell of their bodies -- they caused it, passed it on, despite warnings from The God. They made the choice, The God did not. Now we're stuck with it. Non-negotiable. God did not create the descendants of Adam and Eve. All the descendants became children of Satan at conception. Fact. We are simply the product of multiplication/recombination/propagation of sin-infected cells. It's unavoidably inherited. Like death. The God is so holy and pure that he can not abide the least eentsy iota or keraia (yodh or chireq) of sin. He is also The Judge and The Executor. The sentence for sin is 3 kinds of death. Physical death. Spiritual death. Eternal death. The only way out is to be born anew as a spiritual person. Reward? physical life, spiritual life, Absolute Eternal Life with man's soul & spirit forever in affectionate union with The God, The Eternal Father.

This is the Total Depravity theology,isn’t it?

Yup. That's the status at birth. But no sin imputed until accountability under the Law (love The God, love thy neighbor) cuts in. Kids get a free pass, at first, for a while. Maybe about Bar/Bat Mitzvah too late.

Thank G-d I’m a Jew because if this is what Christianity teaches then I want no part of it.

Time was, when if you wanted to talk with God, you had to find someone who spoke Hebrew. No more. First People of the Way were all Jews, but they reached out -- regular fire sale of passes to goyim. He loved them too. But Jews got first dibs.

The God is not only immensely Holy and Just, He is Love and Tender Care personified hugely; and from before The Creation, had it all figured out. Made Himself Fully Man, Fully Divine, became your blood/burned sacrifice (and mine), completely satisfied The God's righteous demands on the humans regarding Sin and sins, once and for all time, and obtained The God's offer of friendship for each human acknowledging Him as King of all Kings. Satan wants to blind us to that. Better check it out. (Yom Kippur still going on in Heaven for a little while yet. The Eternal High Priest still praying for us, every moment.)

There's more, lots more. God loves you. So do I. Baruch haShem!

66 posted on 01/30/2012 5:04:27 PM PST by imardmd1 (Ps. 107:2 Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom He hath redeemed from the hand of the Enemy ...)
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To: imardmd1

I don’t believe that G-d became man or that I need anyone other than G-d for my salvation.

Believe it or not,I used to be a Christian.

I can’t accept anything that goes against Torah,including Total Depravity,Original Sin or a permanent hell.

I’m not a child of Satan,either. In fact,Satan is not the individual you think he is. “Satan” means “prosecutor” and he does what G-d tells him. He has no powers or authority,only G-d’s “green light”. He does nothing without G-d’s OK.

Like I said,I’m glad I left Christianity. Being a child of Satan (evil) is preposterous and anti-Biblical. Being responsible for the sins of those in the past is absurd and anti-Biblical. Burning in an eternal hell-fire is anti-Biblical.

It seems to me that Christianity is built on fear.


67 posted on 01/30/2012 5:50:27 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Future Meteorologist.)
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To: imardmd1
All the descendants became children of Satan at conception.

You're calling every innocent newborn baby a "child of Satan".

That's 100% crazy.

70 posted on 01/30/2012 10:36:04 PM PST by DNA.2012
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