Posted on 01/31/2012 6:49:05 AM PST by marshmallow
some sort of mental disorder probably, happens to most leftists
Because he will always be Baptized. It cannot be undone. He can renounce his Church affiliation, be non-practicing, excommunicated, whatever, but he was Baptized and the only way to undo that is to travel back in time.
Striking the man's name would be no more falsifying records than a marriage annulment.
“I don't see how a governmental agency can require a religious organization to create a new judicial process, let alone falsify a record.”
There is no suggestion that either was asked of the diocese.
There are probably a lot of people who wish to have their votes for Obama changed but it can’t happen. I guess they could always have a big red X tattoo’d on their forehead so as to warn others how stupid they were though.
AT least it would be of some use to society that way
One more time.
There is no process to nullify a Baptism.
By its very nature, a Baptism cannot be nullified. It is an un-nullifiable event.
Baptism is forever. That is why the Church recognizes valid baptisms from other Christian denominations, and does not re-baptize converts who have been validly baptized.
The Church will not, can not change Her beliefs concerning the eternal nature of Baptism to accommodate an individual or comply with a governmental mandate.
You wanna quit, quit. But you will always have been baptized and the Church does not posses the authority to change that.
Instead of,
“Your Honor, I want the Church to formally erase the record of my marriage!”
It more appears to be,
“Your Honor, I want the Church to formally stop listing me as a married Catholic, particularly since I'm neither!”
Incorrect. Proper form and matter are required for the baptism to be valid.
“Once a Catholic always a Catholic
Written by Fr. Randall Weber
Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:32
“Once a Catholic always a Catholic” is a common saying among Catholics. Is it true that once a person is baptized into the Catholic Church or received into it, he or she is always a Catholic? Speaking from a strictly canonical
point of view, the answer is yes. As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, anyone who has ever been a legitimate member of the Catholic Church can never truly leave. Oh, he or she can become a non-practicing Catholic, a “bad” Catholic, or even an excommunicated Catholic, but never a non-Catholic or an ex-Catholic.” (see salinadiocese.org/vicar for the entire comment)
Going to the heart of matter, it's all about surrendering a claim on the individual. One can cease being a Christian but never cease being a Catholic.
That’t true, you’re both right. I was speaking very generally to avoid going into details (which I would have had to look up.) When I was Confirmed into the Roman Catholic Church, my Episcopal Baptism was accepted as valid. Course, I was able to get the documentation from the church where it took place.
In America, if he votes Democrat, then many here will swear up and down that he is no longer a Catholic.
Evidently, to some Catholics, voting against the party they voted for, removes you from the rolls, maybe this guy should move to the United States, and vote for Obama.
No. Church records do not reflect your current state of mind, religious beliefs, relationships with spouse or indeed anything which occurred post factum.
If you once walked down the aisle and said "I do" in a Catholic Church or anywhere for that matter, that record will be forever on the books. Irrespective of what happens subsequently.
Irrespective of whether you get a civil divorce or your wife dies or vanishes in the Bermuda Triangle. The marriage happened.
It's exactly the same with baptism.
Quite possible. And the political party would have him voting their way forever.
But if somebody is convicted under that law while it is in effect, that conviction, as to them personally, still stands. Repealing the law doesn't cause the conviction to disappear, and the individual can't get his conviction expunged on that account.
Same here. The fact that this man was baptized cannot be undone. Therefore, the record of it cannot be changed, because the baptism did, in fact, happen.
Aside from their religious implications, baptismal records are very important for historians and genealogists. If you allow them to be amended you create a whole series of problems. It's like the Soviets going back and cutting pages out of the Large Soviet Encyclopedia because they decided that Beria was an Enemy of the People instead of a Hero of the Soviet Union.
I wonder if that 71 year old Frenchman knows that he is soon to become a baptized Mormon?
Being that this is a French dude I’d venture a guess that this was the last bath he ever had.
Would he then be Mormon-Catholic or Catholic-Mormon?
Just as it was said in #48.
It's not even a Catholic thing.
No Christian church nullifies a baptism. That's because it is performed in the name of the Holy Spirit and therefore can't be nullified.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit. They're baptized in the name of an organization so it's not a problem.
That’s just repeating what was said in #48, Once a Catholic, always a Catholic. No matter what.
Catholic or non-Catholic.
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