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Frenchman, 71, Takes Catholic Church to Court After it Refuses to Nullify His Baptism
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 1/30/12

Posted on 01/31/2012 6:49:05 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: count-your-change

It’s not enough that he simply no longer believes what the Catholic Church believes; he must punish the Catholic Church for not believing what he believes.


61 posted on 01/31/2012 2:20:58 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: ichabod1
"Baptism is not even a Catholic-only doctrine"

It is when you beleive that baptism equals salvation as the baby baptism does.

62 posted on 01/31/2012 3:14:27 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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To: count-your-change

Baptismal rolls are not membership rolls; they are registrations of an historical event, the baptism. No one ever goes through the baptismal records to compile membership lists. This is done through the parish census or registration records. If he wishes to remove his name from the parish census— no problem. Just send a letter to ask to have his name removed. But he cannot erase what was an historical event; he was indeed, on a certain date and in a certain church, baptized.


63 posted on 01/31/2012 3:21:10 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: marshmallow

His birth in France probably ensures he is a French citizen. Perhaps, then, he will one day desire to renounce that citizenship and therefore demand that France nullify his birth. I wonder how the courts will make that happen?


64 posted on 02/01/2012 5:15:51 AM PST by cothrige
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To: Petrosius
Your answer is a pretty good answer, but of course, only for those actually seeking an answer. Took me a while to figure out that some just see 'Catholic' in the title and then they start Pavlovian drooling over the chance to spread the hate. I should have realized it over the insistence to use the phrase 'baptized Catholic' - when in fact one is baptized a Christian. But those little pesky facts tend to get in the way when one just wants to push their agenda; a white hood does limit one's view of the world.

Though I have to admit that the idea that keeping the baptism on the books as a way to pump up the enrollment numbers was an amusingly stupid one, even by hater standards.

65 posted on 02/01/2012 5:34:11 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: marshmallow

Just some guy trying to get his 15 minutes of fame.


66 posted on 02/01/2012 12:37:18 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Salvation
That mark of a Catholic baptism is always with someone and they will have to account for their doings throughout life at the moment of their death.

Think about what you just said. Let's say a baby is baptized at the age of one week. He didn't consent to be "marked." He didn't accept this commitment to be accountable for all his "doings."

I'm going to be the contrarian here. This man may be asking to be released from a contract he never signed.

There are many good arguments for baptizing a child, but no one ever addresses the fact that it overrides the free will of the child by leaving him with only two choices--adherence to a religion he didn't choose, or eternal damnation.

67 posted on 02/01/2012 12:50:28 PM PST by giotto
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To: count-your-change
If he does not want to be listed as a baptized Catholic why should the diocese insist on keeping his name on the records?

Because the Baptismal Record is a matter of historical fact. "On this date, John Francis Smith was baptized." What he's asking the Church to do is lie about that simple fact.

Does "count-your-change's denomination" believe that lying about historical facts is an acceptable thing to do?

68 posted on 02/01/2012 12:57:32 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gamecock
I thought it had to be a Trinitarian baptism. Modalists need not apply.

That's correct.

The question of the validity of Mormon baptism got a very curt "negative" reply.

69 posted on 02/01/2012 1:02:34 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You're rehashing the same irrelevancies and at this point it's not worth my time to repeat a counter to them.
Thanks for your response.
70 posted on 02/01/2012 2:02:56 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
No ... I'm pointing out the same facts the other folks pointed out to you.

Your attempts to "counter" those facts failed, of course, so I can understand your stated unwillingness to repeat the effort.

You never did, however, address this question:

Does "count-your-change's denomination" believe that lying about historical facts is an acceptable thing to do?

71 posted on 02/01/2012 2:09:54 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Actually he kinda answers the question with his “Then why not strike the fellow’s name? Put an X beside it and a note..” theory. Magic X and a note makes things never have had happened! Yay!!! If by chance that doesn’t work, say “Beetlejuice” three times in a row and he’ll make the problem go away.


72 posted on 02/01/2012 2:14:56 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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