Posted on 02/04/2012 2:26:35 PM PST by NYer
It doesn’t get any simpler than the Jesus Prayer.
Pray always...
“I do not question your recollection of that liturgy, that a Catholic religious community would invite an Orthodox Church to celebrate their liturgy for catholic school children, sounds highly improbably.”
...But your post does question it. Sorry to disappoint you, but it is true in all respects.
The Catholic Church in the US is dominated by an Irish based clergy. Their attitudes and teachings are much more restrictive (and I think highly bigoted) than Italian based Roman Catholic clergy.
Your point about the Catholic Church being a “community of Churches” is absolutely true, and goes to illustrate that my point about the Salesians being more open and accepting of other liturgies is valid.
I have an example of an Irish/Italian couple who met while working as engineers in South America on a power project, who returned to her native Ireland to get married among her parents, family, and friends.
The local Irish priest refused to marry them or, for that matter, even to publish the bands (evidentially because the groom was not Irish). After months of haggling with the local “Catholic clergy,” the prospective groom said “screw em.” They traveled back to his native Italy where they were married within the month at the Vatican. (His uncle was a Cardinal there...I understand that some choice words were spoken by the Cardinal about his opinion of the Irish Catholics.)
So yes I’m sure that an Irish Catholic dominated school would not have allowed an Orthodox service despite Vactican II, but I can assure you that the Salesians of that era did, and on more than one occassion. They were more open, accepting and Christ-like than many of the other so-called “Catholic/Christian” denominations.
Another one for your list GC.
And it would still be the wrong list. But since Protestant anti-Catholics have a habit of pretending one thing is another even when it isn’t, that probably won’t matter.
Feel the love!
Which is more than can be said for the *heretics* the RCC dealt with.
Clearly most of them lived too.
The patriarchs of Constantinople and Moscow, nor any other grouping of Orthodox bishops, pretend to possess the charism of infallibility.
Thus, the one who makes the claim is the one, true church...HaHaHa...
The truth is that Christ’s headship of the entire Church is disclosed in the supreme and universal authority granted Peter and his successors, the Bishops of Rome, who were considered in the first millennium to be the sole heir of Peter’s singular privileges as Rock, bearer of the keys of the Kingdom, confirmer of the brethren, and chief pastor of the flock, and, thus, rendered infallible in the teaching of faith and morals to the entire Church.
Any one who is willing to read the scriptures can easily see that Peter was NOT a rock of any sort...
Want to see a rock in the New Testament...Look no further than Paul...Paul never denied Jesus...Paul never had to be reprimanded for teaching sound doctrine...And Paul was more than willing to give up his life for Jesus while Peter lied to save his hide and even ran away from the site of the Crucifixion for his own safety...Peter was a rock??? What a joke...
What is glaringly obvious is that what is now the Orthodox church did not part with Rome over a thousand year dispute over doctrine...These false doctrinal issues would have come into play closer to the thousand year mark of the union when the split took place...Therefore it's obvious that the Catholic religion split from the Orthodox with their new phoney doctrines and not the other way around...
Certainly, well-informed Catholics are able to present formidable arguments drawn from the Scriptures, Fathers, and Councils in favor of the Roman Pontiff’s universal authority in the Church, the legitimacy of the doctrine of the Filioque, purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception, not to mention other doctrines questioned or denied by Eastern Orthodox, who assume they constitute the “one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church,” signified in the Nicene-Constantinople Creed of 381 A.D., indulglng themselves with the repeated assertion made to Catholics.
Isn't that funny...Not a single Catholic on FR has ever presented a formidable argument from the scriptures to defend their unGodly doctrines...
That is actually true...You went one way, they went the other while the 'true' church, the born agains Christians stayed in middle while it received bloody persecution from both branches of aposticism...
“Not a single Catholic on FR has ever presented a formidable argument from the scriptures to defend their unGodly doctrines...”
We don’t have any “unGodly doctrines”.
Mary was sinless...There's one to start with...
“Mary was sinless...There’s one to start with...”
Since God used His grace to make Mary sinless, it isn’t ungodly in the least.
It's just a fable...
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