[Usagi_yo]

Well speaking of Latin phrases "There are also plenty of married people who will tell you that artificial contraception is a bad thing. Does their opinion not count?" Is a non sequitur. But to answer ... yes, it counts for them. Not me, and not the Church. Look, I'm on the side where the government shouldn't be telling catholic run hospitals to provide birth control or abortions -- and vice versa. The Church advocates belief -- not dictate them and the Catholic church has a very spotty record between advocate and dictate.

[Campion]

Well speaking of Latin phrases "There are also plenty of married people who will tell you that artificial contraception is a bad thing. Does their opinion not count?" Is a non sequitur.

Hardly. If your argument is that "don't contracept" is false because the messenger telling you that is celibate and therefore not to be trusted to teach you anything about marriage, my response is to present you with married people who say the same thing.

But to answer ... yes, it counts for them. Not me

And your response is to engage in solipsism. I guess you don't really want to address the content of what either of those groups of people actually say, you just want to dismiss them.

[RobbyS]

Maybe it doesn’t count for you because you don’t believe there is such a thing as truth in religion and morality. Catholics believe that the Church speaks the truth. You seem to be with Pilate, “Truth,” what is truth.”? Then he gave the order to kill truth.