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To: Usagi_yo

So much ignorance is displayed in your post that one is wondering if you are a troll.

It is an historic fact that a culture with a moral standard that approves of indiscriminate sexual couplings is not the best template building a civil society consisting of a prudent people who are capable of upholding any ideals beyond the satisfaction of libidos.

Self occupied in the childish pursuit of pleasure at all costs they really don’t give a fig if the world collapses around them while their freedoms are absconded one by one.

There is no domain from which exclusion of morality has resulted in more prosperity, more liberty, more charity, more happiness and more cooperation. The absence of morality has certainly sowed the seeds of destruction in many domains.

Whenever somebody blathers on about Patriarchy I have a wonderful clue that they do not bother to let facts get in the way of their utterances. You give an example of a very, very narrow time period of history or I should say an imagined history since at no time was it considered sinful for a woman to sing and dance in any and all circumstances. The mores of dress were determined more by what was common to prostitutes making it a common prohibition that godly women not imitate their mode of dress and behavior. Declaring that immodest dress and behavior is wrong is not repressive and narrow minded, it is too have a very good understanding of the workings of the world and how best to encourage and preserve self respect and dignity. What is regarded as immodest will change from culture to culture but the standards applied are usually about protection of privacy, especially of sexual privacy.

If you think the matriarchal method of governing was a kinder, gentler, more tolerant and freedom loving method you are very much mistaken. I’ll sum it up in one word “Moloch”. That is the matriarchal system that the evil patriarchal Hebrews encountered after their long trek across the desert. Butterflies and unicorns it wasn’t. You should also know that “Some anthropologists and authors hold that there are no known societies that are unambiguously matriarchal” though there were exception. It was also the nasty patriarchal system of governance in which concepts such as human rights and personal autonomy developed.

The Church is not imposing anything on the unwilling She is exercising her religion just as the 1st amendment declares She has every right to do so. Those women who want artificial birth control can still lockstep themselves down to PP and get a script or a package of condoms and pay for it themselves or get their own insurance which covers such costs. What they can not do is demand their Catholic employer provide it to them.


26 posted on 02/14/2012 11:14:11 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance

I would ask you what on earth you are talking about, but I’m sure you don’t know either.

But just to clarify ....

The Church warns of encroaching government, yet the opposite is more true, the church encroaches on government. This is far better historical fact than what you tried to present as historical fact — which was neither historical nor fact.

The government wants to allow gay marriage, make available contraception and abortions ... so be it. The government crosses the line when it tells church’s they must hire gay priests, perform abortions and provide contraception in their clinics, providing that that institute does not receive an iota of public funding.

So, if the church sticks it’s nose in the public trough, then they are subject to government rules and regulations.


29 posted on 02/14/2012 12:04:53 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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