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To: LadyDoc; greyfoxx39

' one: The LDS church instructed folks to stop doing this a couple years ago. I guess some folks didn’t get the message.

Two: “baptizing” someone doesn’t do anything to hurt the person: Indeed, if the LDS are correct, it actually helps them in the afterlife. So it is a “mitzvah”, a good deed, not an insult.

Three: Usually baptisms are private. Who released this? Could it be someone who dislikes Romney? '


Well. That's interesting.

First I've heard of anyone representing Jews that sees the supposed transmogrifying of their passed Jewish family members into mormons, as a "mitzvah", a blessing supported by jewish tradition, as you say.

If there's a silent groundswell of Jewish people who desire to be "blessed" by a ceremony that relieves them of their Judaism, they should make their wishes public, as the mormons would be happy to accomodate them. Why it's more desirable to become a mormon after death, and why Jews aren't flocking to join the mormon cult while they're still alive (since it's such a great blessing ), I cannot answer, as I am not Jewish, but I'd love to hear more.

Is there anyone else representing the silent Jews who consider becoming mormon after death a "blessing", who can come forward and explain to us why the mormon cult is desirable, and that it's a blessing to be mormon in the next life, yet cling to Judaism in this one?

The Jews such as the Wiesenthals, objecting publicly to their ancestors being "blessed" into the lds, the story of their making this plea solely motivated by a secret anti-Romney political agenda, seems to have been thus far unreported.

I just googled "Jews for Romney", and the single, solitary result that it produced was a blog still remaining from his 2008 campaign. It doesn't appear to have been updated in some time.

http://jewsforromney.blogspot.com/

However, I found quite a few jewish publications of protests from leaders of the Jewish faith who protest the mormon baptism of their family members.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/secret-posthumous-mormon-baptism-of-holocaust-victims-jewish-leaders-sparks-outrage/2012/02/15/

If Jewish protests are actually a concerted anti-Romney political agenda, again this needs to be reported, so we can at least make an attempt at finding out the truth, and perhaps more Jewish people will feel safe enough to make their posthumous desires to be mormon in the afterlife, public.

After all, there isn't anything lower, really, than liars with personal agendas misleading others and silencing the truth from being told.

When it comes to an agenda of lies, however, I have zero evidence to give of the Jews lying about their own traditions out of an anti-Romney agenda, or anything else. But, as an ex-mormon, both by personal experience, many corroborating testimonies from other ex-mormons right here in this forum, and by documentary evidence, that mormons are commanded by their leaders, and by church doctrine, to lie in any arena where the truth would cast a bad light on the mormon cult and mormon agendas.


Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith's denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by "anti-Mormons" and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley's dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine, Mormonism's history seems replete with examples of lying. Common members see such examples as situations where lying is justified. For the Mormon, loyalty and the welfare of the church are more important than the principle of honesty, and plausible denials and deception by omission are warranted by an opportunity to have the Mormon organization seen in the best possible light. This is part of the larger package of things that lead many to describe Mormonism as a cult. "Lying for the lord" is part of Mormonism's larger deceptive mainstreaming tactics, and conversion numbers would drastically lower if important Mormon beliefs were fully disclosed to investigators. http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord

I should be honest, and say that I, as a former lds born into the mormon cult, who was himself commanded to lie to protect the cult's interests, do have an anti-Romney agenda. Whatever you think of the other bizarre beliefs mormons hold, it is worth considering that while all politicians obfuscate the truth, Romney, like all other mormons born and raised in that cult, is commanded by his faith to lie if the truth harms the interests of the cult, and by extension, mormons who defend him have the same commandment.

As always, I recommend anyone who desires the truth about mormonism, to google "ex-mormon", and find out for yourselves from people who have left the cult, for a true witness of what mormonism is really all about.

Let the truth be told. And let the Jews who want to be posthumously baptized into mormonism, come forward. There is no reason for secrecy, except for those who fear the light of truth on this subject.



20 posted on 02/17/2012 9:58:13 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1
I remember the kerfuffle a couple years ago, so I find it strange that Romney is being asked to order this new bunch to stop. Romney doesn't speak for the LDS church, and is only a bishop, which is the equivalent as a local pastor in other churches. Finally, my point is that even in the early Christian church, good people worried about those who had died and didn't have a way to chose to follow Christ, and they started that custom of baptizing the dead: The apostles quickly stopped it, but it was done.

Every religion has a different idea of the afterlife, and an LDS sees it as enabling those who weren't given a chance of salvation as being given the choice in the afterlife. You don't think this is real, but THEY do, which is my point. They were trying to help them

As for the baptismal fount: That is a biblical design, and has a long history:1 King7 and is found in the design of baptismal fonts since medieval times link

24 posted on 02/17/2012 6:31:34 PM PST by LadyDoc
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