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To: YHAOS
If you want to gain knowledge about the physical world - the scientific method is aces - nothing else comes close.

The Judeo-Christian tradition is perfectly compatible, and actually quite congruent, with the scientific method. What is not compatible or congruent with the scientific method is presupposition of supernaturalistic means to explain physical phenomena.

Eugenics is as warped a response to knowledge of DNA inheritance as Socialism is in response to knowledge of Free Markets. Both see a highly productive system of individuals acting in their own best interests and want to quash it under central authority - thinking that they know better what “the market” wants.

Actual knowledge of “materialistic” biology discounts Eugenics/selective breeding of humans; because it is inconsistent with any actual positive results.

Despite the empty promises of both Socialism and Eugenics: There is no such thing as a free lunch.

274 posted on 02/24/2012 10:10:00 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream; YHAOS; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
The Judeo-Christian tradition is perfectly compatible, and actually quite congruent, with the scientific method. What is not compatible or congruent with the scientific method is presupposition of supernaturalistic means to explain physical phenomena.

And right there you have left the realm of scientific inquiry and dived head first into the philosophical.

IOW, Christianity is compatible with science if it's done on your terms.

277 posted on 02/24/2012 10:46:49 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: allmendream; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; metmom

AMD: The Judeo-Christian tradition is perfectly compatible, and actually quite congruent, with the scientific method. What is not compatible or congruent with the scientific method is presupposition of supernaturalistic means to explain physical phenomena.”

Spirited: As with all too many people today, you place way too much faith in naturalistic science. And your faith as well as many of the beliefs you posit did not come naturally.

Approximately fifty years ago Progressive atheists set in motion an evil program designed by the Frankfurt School that over time would morally-degrade all Americans.

With moral degradation comes the thinking and doing of the very evils necessary for the destruction of Christian-based America. In short, morally-degraded Americans would themselves become the destroyers of America, their own children, the family, morality, individual freedoms, property rights, and traditions

Morally degraded Americans are the sleepwalking entities that have been the dream of communists and progressives since the 1920’s, said Pedro Blas Gonzales in his essay, “The New Man Revisted.” (OrthodoxyToday.org, 2009)

Gonzales describes the New Man as being like bread dough that can,

“….be shaped, formed, deformed and re-formed on demand.”

America’s New Man is the product of atheist-materialist social engineers who for over forty years have pounded it into the heads of Americans that God is dead and souls, spirits, demons, heaven and hell are superstitious fairytales. The mind-conditioning also includes: evolutionism is factual science,the scientific method is superior to metaphysics, there is no such thing as right and wrong, and everything under the sun is political.

With the destruction of moral conviction also comes the inability to think for oneself. Hence the New Man can be heard to say on one hand that he has no soul and that demons don’t exist and creation science is bogus while on the other paradoxically professing belief in unseen forces of nature, ie., evolutionism and in common descent, a belief that logically reduces the New Man to a Heinz 57 genetic soup-mix.

Fascination with science fiction, deep space, the metaphysics of evolutionism, the paranormal (spirit world), occultism, and extraterrestrials has effectively become a new religion for America’s ‘scientifically-engineered’ New Man.

Unbeknownst to America’s New Men however, anthropologists, scientific psychiatrists, and other professionals from the counseling and medical field are taking very seriously the fact that something very frightening and unexplainable by Western science is going on here in America and throughout the West. In their search for answers they are jettisoning as useless Godless materialist explanations. A “new” consensus is emerging: Men have souls and demons exist:

“…we need to understand a number of different concepts in order to comprehend the worldwide phenomenon of possession and exorcism. On the psychological level, we have come to know the notion underlying all possession, namely, that the body is a shell, inhabited by a soul, and that this shell may on occasion be surrendered to an intrusive alien entity. ” (How about Demons? Possession and Exorcism in the Modern World, Felicitas Goodman. IndianaUpress:1988)

Secular researchers are rediscovering what pagans and early Christians knew: demons do exist. A classic description of demonic activity is contained in early Church Father Cyprian’s “Life.” Before his conversion Cyprian was a Mystery Religion initiate. He writes:

“On Mt. Olympus (I) saw a numberless legion of demons, with the prince of darkness at their head….I greeted him and his ancients…He promised to make me a prince after my departure from the body…His head was covered by a crown…of gold and brilliant stones…his clothing was astonishing. When he would turn (the) whole place would tremble, a multitude of evil spirits stood obediently at his throne. I gave myself over entirely to his service at that time…” (The Soul After Death, Fr. Seraphim Rose, pp. 112-113)

Slowly but surely some sleepwalkers are finally waking up to the shocking, frightening reality that not only do they have souls but demons do in fact exist, they transmit teachings, philosophy, and ideas, they can and do appear in various forms and they can oppress and possess human beings.

The scientific method is not ‘aces’ but is rather a lower order of knowledge that has been elevated over metaphysics, the highest order.


280 posted on 02/24/2012 11:11:12 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: allmendream
If you want to gain knowledge about the physical world - the scientific method is aces - nothing else comes close.

No kidding? Hoo wooda thunk? I’ve said the same many times (the latest being #271). So why are you telling me something you know I know?

The Judeo-Christian tradition is perfectly compatible, and actually quite congruent, with the scientific method.

That’s what Pope Benedict has said. However, I don’t think he would buy off on the idea that the Judeo-Christian tradition is useless.

What is not compatible or congruent with the scientific method is presupposition of supernaturalistic means to explain physical phenomena.

Is it, then, your contention that the God of Judeo-Christian tradition is not, as an article of faith, the Creator of Mankind and the Universe?

Eugenics is as warped a response to knowledge of DNA inheritance as Socialism is in response to knowledge of Free Markets.

Really?! Why aren’t we told these things? Oh, wait . . .

285 posted on 02/24/2012 11:42:39 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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