[muawiyah]

Dave, it's a belief in "word magic" ~ sometimes described as the belief that a "word can bind God".

Hindus were really deep into that stuff back in the days when the Mahabarat/Ramayana was being developed.

I think you recognize the concept.

Frankly, I don't believe in magic, witch-craft, nor binding God with a word. It's so pre-Medieval!

[Daveinyork]

Madonna wears that red cloth around her wrist that is somehow related to her Kabbalism, supposedly for good luck. It’s extreme chutzpa to think that we can manipulate the Divine will.

Likewise, it’s extreme chutzpa to think that post mortem baptizing of someone makes that person a Mormon or a Christian, when that person was by choice a Jew in life. But, unless we believe that it works, then what’s the big deal - for any side of this argument?