Posted on 03/15/2012 3:05:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I’m reformed not RC, but in the spirit of Ambrose I applaud the excommunication of those who publicly flaunt their defiance to repent. No church can make righteous what God has already declared an abomination. Now the RCC should publicly and officially excommunicate Pelosi and all other RCs who support baby killing or homosexuality. Don’t give me the “they excommunicated themselves” line, they cannot baptize themselves into the church and they cannot excommunicate themselves either.
great letter
Good to see that word is spreading.
This guy, Auxiliary Bishop Knestout, is clearly either an idiot or a malignant trouble-maker. His actions show no willingness even to investigate the case or interview the priest in question before acting.
Given what actually happened, with witnesses to support it, the decision makes absolutely no sense. It is contrary to Catholic teaching, and it invites the Gay Mafia to mount further deliberate attacks on the Church, as this lesbian clearly did. It is not the priest’s fault if she and her girlfriend decided to make her own mother’s funeral into a political incident.
I hope Archbishop Wuerl acts quickly to intervene in this mess. The longer he waits, the more blame will attach itself to him. Maybe he’s too busy making nice with Nancy Pelosi. I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but this is intolerable.
Barbara Johnson is known to be a Buddhist, and marching in and declaring that the woman accompanying her was her lover purposefully set up a situation where the priest had every right to refuse her communion.
Her only reason for committing such a scene at her mother’s funeral was to embarrass and discredit the Roman Catholic Church AND I suspect to childishly and horribly disrespect the memory of her deceased mother.
This was a full-on assault on religious and conservative culture - Barbara Johnson displayed no tolerance for the dignity or feelings of others and reminds me of my own experience with radical homosexuals 35-years ago.
I was walking on a city street in Portland, Oregon, near the Pioneer Courthouse when accosted by two men. They crowded me agaisnt a store front, spit on me and shouted that I was “breeder shit”.
From the incident with Barbara Johnson, it is clear that radical queers haven’t changed at all.
I am a Catholic and this Priest did what I have always been taught was the correct thing to do. The Bishop should get his head out and fix this. How in the hell did he and the Cardinal get in their positions.
“I hope Archbishop Wuerl acts quickly to intervene in this mess. The longer he waits, the more blame will attach itself to him. Maybe he’s too busy making nice with Nancy Pelosi. I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but this is intolerable.”
“Our primary job is to teach and try to convince people. The tradition in our country has not been in the direction of refusing Communion, and I think it’s served us well.”
—Cardinal Wuerl, of Washington
Oh yes, it’s just working out smashingly, Cardinal. Look at all the public Catholics that have been convinced.
Another opportunity seized to let everyone know the Eucharists isn’t really a big deal when you get right down to it. One can’t teach without discipline, any sane first grade teacher could tell the Cardinal that.
Freegards
I’m sorry for your attack.
The Washington Post featured this today. The first half was Guarnizo’s account: He has been put on admin leave because of the incident. The Church is saying that is not the case, but there can be no other reason. He has been accused of some questionable behavior when all he wanted to do was get written corroborative accounts from two individuals from the funeral home who might have witnessed the event. He also said that he had to temporarily excuse himself from part of the service because he had a migraine attack.
The last half of the article was Johnson’s brother slamming the good priest and demanding his head for Guarnizo’s treatment of his sister.
I saw a picture today of Martin O’Malley, Maryland’s guv, reaching out and shaking Johnson’s hand. O’Malley pushed for a gay marriage bill here. His wife is a judge and was quoted in the press calling opponents of the gay marriage “cowards”. Clearly they are all activists.
I sure hope that Dolan puts the fear of God on Wuerl to do the right thing on this.
Don't hold your breath. Dolan has apparently been a little over-tolerant toward gays himself.
Wuerl is going to jettison any priest, however brilliant, talented, and holy, who runs afoul of the gay lobby. He doesn't want anybody in his archdiocese, including himself, to be outed.
I am a Presbyterian Elder, and the way I see it, this woman was and is an unrepentant sinner, and thus not acceptable to come to the table. I applaud this Priest who was doing his job in protecting the sacrament.
Well, this makes me wonder what Fr. Guarnizo would do if Nancy Pelosi, a vocal supporter of a woman’s right to have an abortion ( and in fact a supporter of Obama’s mandates), were to come to Communion...
RE: Barbara Johnson is known to be a Buddhist,
Then what business does she have demanding to receive communion?
This is not very different from Sandra Fluke demanding that a Catholic institution offer contraceptives to fornicating students.
I know what would happen in my church.
In these cases, certain bishops have proven to be enemies of The Church and the faithful every bit as much as any self-professed secularist or atheist.
Amen elder brother.
Barbara Johnson wanted to create controversy.
Barbara Johnson had an agenda.
Barbara Johnson succeeded in her trouble making.
Barbara Johnson is probably quite proud of herself.
Last Sunday our sermon was on: Timothy 4:1-5.
The pertinent verse I want to point out is verse 3:
"Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1 Timothy 4:3)
As to forbidding to marry, consider Ephesians 5:22-33. The verse that is important to note for our purposes here is verse 32:
"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. " (Ephesians 5:32)
An attack upon marriage is an attack upon the relationship of the Church to Christ. But as we know, Jesus is building His Church and,
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
Next, the commanding to abstain from meats should be seen in light of the passage in Acts chapter 10,
"On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. " (Acts 10:9-15)
To forbid the eating of meat is in effect to teach that what God has called clean is actually unclean. So it means to teach rebellion against God. It is but a short step from there to teach unbelievers that something is clean even if God has called it unclean (think abortion for example).
What we are witnessing in our days is just what Paul said to Timothy:
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" (1 Timothy 4:1)
No argument here. I have stood face to face with the bishop of my diocese and called him out in public. The history of the Church shows that it moves slowly. Never enough to satisfy you or me.
I'll bet anything that 20 years from now, we'll have an entirely different perspective. Look how long it took to canonize Scripture, for instance, or to formally declare just what the Trinity means.
Amen, brother.
I trust that the good padre is buoyed by the Lord and support from all. I know that he is getting torrents of support from some unexpected allies. Reminds me of Theoden seeing the Elves marching up to Helm's Deep to be in on the fight...
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