Skip to comments.Pope issues rare, forceful correction to dissident priests in Holy Week liturgy
Posted on 04/09/2012 6:08:04 AM PDT by NYer
VATICAN CITY, April 5, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) In an extremely rare move, Pope Benedict XVI today issued a forcefully worded correction of a group of Austrian priests who last year issued a public letter calling on their fellow clergy to disobey Catholic teaching in key areas.
Recently a group of priests from a European country issued a summons to disobedience, and at the same time gave concrete examples of the forms this disobedience might take, even to the point of disregarding definitive decisions of the Churchs Magisterium, such as the question of womens ordination, the pope said.
Speaking at the Holy Thursday Mass at St. Peters Basilica today, one of the most solemn occasions of the Catholic Churchs liturgical year, Pope Benedict asked, Is disobedience a path of renewal for the Church?
Although he did not name the country, it is clear the pope was referring to a public letter the priests, who called themselves the Austrian Priests Initiative, issued in June 2011 demanding reform on priestly celibacy, the reservation of the priesthood to men and the reception of Holy Communion by divorced and remarried Catholics. Titled A Call to Disobedience, the letter accused the Catholic Church of injustice and violations of human rights, and announced that the signatories intended to continue giving Communion to members of other Christian Churches and, in certain cases, Catholics who have left the Church.
We would like to believe the pope said, that the authors of this summons are motivated by concern for the Church.
But is disobedience really a way to do this? Do we sense here anything of that configuration to Christ which is the precondition for true renewal, or do we merely sense a desperate push to do something to change the Church in accordance with ones own preferences and ideas?
Posing the rhetorical question, Surely Christ himself corrected human traditions which threatened to stifle the word and the will of God? the pope said that the authority of Christ, as the Son of God, was unique, and something that no human priest can claim.
Indeed he did [correct human traditions], so as to rekindle obedience to the true will of God, to his ever enduring word. His concern was for true obedience, as opposed to human caprice, Benedict said.
The choice of the Holy Thursday liturgy, seen in the Catholic Church as the Mass of the priesthood, to address the letter indicates the depth of Benedicts concern. Catholics believe that the priesthood and the Mass itself were inaugurated by Christ on Thursday night before his death the next day on the cross. The priesthood and the nature of the Church are the main focus of the liturgy for the day, a day that has recently also become the locus of annual protests by anti-Catholic groups agitating for womens ordination, among other changes to Catholic teaching.
Benedict continued, saying Christ lived out his task with obedience and humility all the way to the Cross, and so gave credibility to his mission. Not my will, but thine be done: these words reveal to us the Son, in his humility and his divinity, and they show us the true path.
The situation in Austria remains unresolved, with the group of 300-400 priests having issued a statement last October refusing to recant their letter, titled A Call to Disobedience. Disobeying certain valid and strict church rulings and laws has for years been part of our life and work as priests, they said.
Since the group issued its demands, local Catholic authorities have engaged in discussions with them. A spokesman for the archdiocese of Vienna said, There has been no discussion of sanctions, no ultimatum, no talk of punishment. The Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna, Christoph Schonborn, said he wanted to discuss the needs of local Catholics with the group.
It is clear, however, that the lack of a prompt resolution to the situation is unacceptable to the Pope, who said today, All our preaching must measure itself against the saying of Jesus Christ: My teaching is not mine. We preach not private theories and opinions, but the faith of the Church, whose servants we are.
In answer to the position of the Austrian priests, Benedict highlighted the religious illiteracy that has become common in the formerly Christian western world, even within the Church.
The foundations of faith, which at one time every child knew, are now known less and less. But if we are to live and love our faith, if we are to love God and to hear him aright, we need to know what God has said to us our minds and hearts must be touched by his word, he said.
The hermeneutic of continuity the interpretation of Catholic teaching in the light of the Churchs traditional understanding of scripture has been a major theme of Benedicts papacy. He has struggled to make clear that the Second Vatican Council, cited by the Austrian group as the source of their disobedience, did not mandate any change or reversals in Catholic dogma, doctrine or discipline.
Again today, Benedict revisited this theme, answering the priests claim, saying that the texts of the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, are essential tools which serve as an authentic guide to what the Church believes on the basis of Gods word.
Benedict has had his hands full with the scandal-plagued Austrian Catholic Church. In 2009, a rebellion of the nations Catholic bishops made it impossible for him to appoint his choice for the diocese of Linz, a see that has been the centre of decades of liturgical abuse as well as more recently of several high-profile sex abuse cases.
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Vatican letter demands action on Austrian dissident priests group the day after Papal blast
-—Sidestepped the valid points in my post.——
The sale of indulgences?
The Church doesn’t claim that every priest is impeccable or infallible. Only the pope teaches infallibly, when he invokes his charism, or when the bishops meet in Council.
Myths about indulgences
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
All of your popes have been and are fallible. The history of some of them is quite astonishing.
Which Bible is the true Bible?
What infallible authority provides the answer?
Where is your doctrine of “the Bible alone” in your incomplete Bible?
What is the difference between impeccability and the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility?
What infallible authority provides the answer? The answer to what? I study the Word of God and pray for guidance - the same as people have done for millennium.
Where is your doctrine of the Bible alone in your incomplete Bible? Deut. 4:2 Ye shall not add into the Word which I command you neither shall ye diminish ought from it". Prov. 30:5,6 Every Word of God is pure. He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
What is the difference between impeccability and the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility? Who cares? More semantics.
The KJV, like all Protestant Bibles, is missing several Old Testament books.
As a believer in Luther’s dogma of “the Bible ALONE,” you lack an infallible authority to determine the cannon of Scripture. As R.C. Sproul once said, the Protestant Bible is “a fallible collection of infallible books.”
Then how do you know, infallibly, whether the Protestant cannon is correct? It’s logically impossible, given your presuppositions, and Luther’s dogma collapses.
Your proof-texts for Luther’s doctrine of the Bible ALONE prove nothing. You are pre-supposing the validity of his teaching.
Defendining “the Bible ALONE” and defending Christianity are NOT the same thing.
I care not whether your Bible has more OT books than mine. It’s not a contest. Those books may/may not be credible. I’m not losing any sleep over it. You talk of Luther and RC Sproul, let them work out their own salvation. I didn’t quote them. You are hung up on infallibility and that is what your church wants. For you to need them. I need Christ and Him alone. There is still time if you are willing. God calls “ Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues”. Read your Bible and not your church literature and walk away from the rituals, statuary, St. Christopher charms, prayer beads, rosaries and amulets. Meet God, one on one and see Him differently.
Nice pile of straw!
Are you a horse, or a goat?
——I care not whether your Bible has more OT books than mine. Its not a contest. Those books may/may not be credible. Im not losing any sleep over it.-——
So much for “the Bible alone.” In practice, it becomes “my doctrine alone.”
Hence the proliferation of Protestant sects with often contradictory doctrines, all supposedly guided by the Holy Spirit/Truth.
I cannot speak for the proliferation of Protestant churches nor did I claim to. As for the Bible John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy Truth, Thy Word is Truth.” Your church makes the Bible something lesser. It has to do this to claim the authority it desires. Claiming church authority verses that were wrote centuries before the Catholic church was in existence. Claiming papal Petrine authority when there is no evidence that the other apostles went to Peter for his supreme leadership skills or authority. Your church strains credulity for its many atrocities in its history. Perhaps it will once again climb to its former glory and cut BipolarBobs tongue out for being a heretic? You and your friends would gloat at my demise, but that’s okay, this world is losing its luster and my life is a small price to pay for my Master.
——Your church makes the Bible something lesser. It has to do this to claim the authority it desires.——
Didn’t you previously stated that you don’t lose any sleep over what books constitute Sacred Scripture? That doesn’t sound like an elevated view of Scripture.
We know the cannon of Scripture with certainty because an infallible source determined it.
If the Church that wrote, preserved and canonized the Bible is fallible, than the Bible would have to be fallible.
Protestantism saws off the branch it’s standing on.
At least the Catholic position is logically coherent. An infallible Church wrote, preserved and canonized Sacred Scripture.
If the Church that wrote, preserved and canonized the Bible is fallible, than the Bible would have to be fallible. Excuse me? YOUR church wrote the Bible? I don't think so. At least give the writers credit.
We know the cannon of Scripture with certainty because an infallible source determined it.God determined it. It is His Word after all. Your church did preserve it for a while until Gods timeline determined the whole world should read it. All things work towards the will of God.
-—Excuse me? YOUR church wrote the Bible? I don’t think so. At least give the writers credit.-—
Didn’t they belong to Christ’s Church?
I see the question. And your presupposition in which you label your church as Christs Church. None of the writers from Moses to John were Catholics, they didn’t practice Catholicism nor would they ever do so. The writers belong to Christ. His Church is in Heaven. Many writers of the old Testament practiced their faith with their families. Not always the case of course. The New Testament writers started and revisited churches. Even these churches needed chiding and exhorting. No attempts to label them “infallible”. That was contrary to their way of thinking. Revelation chapters 2 & 3 upbraid certain churches to raise their sights higher. To weed out the evil that was constantly lurking to infiltrate them. To answer your question there is no Catholic writer in my Bible.
. You might get away with that kind of deception with someone that has never read Matthew, but any Bible reader can see that Christ completely denounced all traditions in favor of the plain word of God.
Luke 10: 1After this the Lord appointed seventy-twoa others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. 2He told them, The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. 3Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. 4Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road. 5When you enter a house, first say, Peace to this house. 6If a man of peace is there, your peace will rest on him; if not, it will return to you. 7Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house. 8When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. 9Heal the sick who are there and tell them, The kingdom of God is near you. 10But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near. 12I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
13Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14But it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. 15And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths.b 16He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.
17The seventy-two returned with joy and said, Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name. 18He replied, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
21At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. 22All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
23Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. 24For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Matthew 28: 16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them ina the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
I see that you are very familiar with Matthew. Also Luke. And Mark.
Every tradition of the catholic church is an extension of the lies of Satan.
Your one trick pony lies dead in the sand.
Check out Mark Brsnrs tagline. I would certainly call it blasphemous. He has to check with his “church” to see if God is telling the truth. His response didn’t really address the “traditions” topic either. I’d rather meet my Maker knowing I read His Word and tried to follow it rather than trust my soul to some church that has a dubious history.
>> “Check out Mark Brsnrs tagline. I would certainly call it blasphemous.” <<
I have found just about all of what he posts to be equally blasphemous.
And to say that the Roman catholic ‘church’ has a dubious history is the understatement of all time. Its creation by the Pharisees in the 4th century was the second fulfillment of Daniel’s “little horn” prophecy.
Thank you for again proving my points, and revealing your abysmal lack of cognition regarding the scriptures.
P.S. That blasphemy in your tag line fits you well IMO.
Very good. Attacking me in a post and not courtesy pinging me. That is a class act.
God tells the truth. It is those who accuse others behind their backs who do not.
. I have found just about all of what he posts to be equally blasphemous.
I have found that those who accuse others behind their backs are usually more guilty of what the accusers claim is actually the truth.
And to say that the Roman catholic church has a dubious history is the understatement of all time. Its creation by the Pharisees in the 4th century was the second fulfillment of Daniels little horn prophecy.
The Catholic Church was created by Jesus in the first century. Sorry if it hampers the various churches of the god in the mirror.
I refuted every point you have ever made to me with Scripture.
P.S. That blasphemy in your tag line fits you well IMO.
My tag line is a quote from St. Augustine against the heretics. It serves very well here in the RF against the heretics even to this day, doesn't it? You're welcome.
>> “I refuted every point you have ever made to me with Scripture.” <<
Amazing what that new GMO opium will do!
It causes one to create their own religion according to the god in the mirror.
You didn’t create the catholic abomination; the Pharisees did, in the 4th century.
Stick with your opium.
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