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To: Colofornian

At least they believe in Jesus...but aside from that they are quite a gullible bunch.


70 posted on 04/10/2012 6:11:25 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Well, not exactly. The lds jesus is a created being as well as his brother satan. He is progressed to a minor god hood status, to be a help in the lds salvation which must be worked for.
The Biblical Jesus is eternal and sufficient for Salvation.


72 posted on 04/10/2012 6:32:16 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: fabian; All
At least they believe in Jesus...but aside from that they are quite a gullible bunch.

Well, even on the "believe in Jesus," which Jesus?

There is another Jesus (2 Cor. 11:3-4)...and plenty of false Messiahs (Matt. 24).

For example:

* The "Jesus" of the Marharishi of TM is a Jesus who never suffered.
* The "Jesus" of Guru Maharaj Ji supposedly merged with Krishna, Ram and Buddha.
* The only difference between the Moonie "jesus" and the rest of us, says, Sun Myung Moon, is that Jesus had no original sin nature.
* The "Jesus" of Christian Science think of themselves as "Christian," yet they don't believe Jesus is God.
* The "Jesus" of the Jehovah's Witnesses is not Almighty and is "a god," but not "THE" God; nor did He bodily resurrect.
* The "Jesus" of many gnostics would in no way incarnate a human body -- because that to them would be too "corrupt" of a thing to do.
* The "Jesus" of Brigham Young is one redeemer-savior among who knows how many? "He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. On every earth. How many earths are there?...Consequently every earth has its redeemer..." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, p. 71, 1870) [IOW...'tis not a whole lot "unique" in this Mormon jesus compared to who knows how many other "saviors" on other planets]
* The "Jesus" of Mormonism is a pre-existent spirit-creature; a son of a God-man whose next-in-line brother is "Lucifer/Satan" -- a "Jesus" who had to work out his own salvation; and whose blood didn't cover all of our personal sins (thereby rendering him as an incomplete, inadequate "savior").

We have to ask: How can all these "Jesuses" be the same One all of the above groups confess and profess?
Is there a "Jesus" who...
...suffers as well as a TM "Jesus" who doesn't?
...resurrects bodily & a JW "Jesus" who doesn't?
...transcends us in every way & a Moonie "Jesus" who only transcends us sin-wise?
...is united with the Father & the Spirit vs. a Hindu offshoot/New Age "Jesus" who merges as part of a divine flame or divine ocean?
...is THE fully-God, fully-man incarnate son of God vs. a less-than-human embodied gnostic "Jesus"?
...is THE Savior vs. a Mormon "Jesus" who competes with ALL kinds of "saviors" on other planets (per Brigham) & ALL kinds of "saviors" on THIS planet (per Lds "prophet" John Taylor's description of Baptism of the dead "saviors")??
...is THE Creator vs. a Mormon "Jesus," a mere spirit-creature?
...is THE Savior vs. a Mormon "Jesus" who is touted by Lds leaders as a "saved being?"
...created Lucifer (Col. 1:16-17) vs. a Mormon "Jesus" who "lucked out" on being ahead of Lucifer spirit-birth assembly line, only because of spirit-birth order???
...died BOTH for our sin nature AND ALL of our personal sins vs. a Mormon "Jesus" who didn't?

By your comment, we'd have to define JWs, Christian Science, Moonies, New Age adherents, & all the rest as "believing in Jesus," too!

76 posted on 04/10/2012 8:46:52 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: fabian
LDS inc believe in "a" Jesus. Here's why that is error:

"I always like to use the analogy of Jim Caviezel [In Mel Gibson's 'The Passion of The Christ']. Like the Mormon Jesus, he dressed the part, spoke the same words (in the original language, no less), and was referred to as Jesus Christ within a specific context, but it makes all the difference in the world whether one worships and depends upon him for their salvation or the genuine article." [borrowed from Freeper William Clark, illustrating how one can have faith in 'a' Christ but not the true Savior Christ.]

77 posted on 04/10/2012 8:58:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: fabian
in A 'jesus'.

Read their stuff. The 'jesus' they describe is NOT found in the bible.

Trusting in a FALSE jesus will get a person a FALSE salvation.

111 posted on 04/11/2012 4:37:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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