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To: libdestroyer
The Catholic Church’s doctrine is closer to Judaism than Christianity.

You mean as opposed to the Platonism and rationalism that characterizes much of Protestantism? I'll take it. Judaism is a religion founded by God, not by men. Catholicism is a religion founded by God, not by men. Two books in a series, by the same Divine Author, ought to have some similarities.

Every item on your list is provably false, BTW, but I want to zero in on one:

1. Salvation by works alone

Whoever told you this was Catholic belief lied to you, mischaracterizing as Catholic belief the heresy of Pelagianism, which the Catholic Church has repeatedly condemned. I have no hesitation about saying that they lied to you. Worse, they lied to you in God's name. That's a lot worse than "selling" indulgences, if you ask me.

This is de fide Catholic doctrine. Catholics are required to believe it under pain of heresy. Tell me where you get "salvation by works alone" out of it.

Salvation is purely by grace from beginning to end, and cannot be earned by anyone. It is sonship by adoption.

However, it matters how we live our lives. Grace is not always irresistable (pace Calvin). Salvation is a free gift; damnation can be earned. (cf Romans 6:23)

56 posted on 04/18/2012 5:00:21 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

#56 ditto bump.

If anyone doubts it, just read the on-line catechism.


58 posted on 04/18/2012 5:06:17 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Campion

Ask a Catholic if they are going to heaven and they’ll say...”hopefully”. They have no assurance of their own salvation.

If you admit salvation is a free gift from God then you must believe that God does not change his mind. Salvation is never taken away right?

Salvation is a one-time deal. Christ’s blood covers us from now to eternity. Catholics teach that you can lose your salvation.

To address your other posts, you believe that the Catholic catechism provides the “exegy” needed to fully understand the intents and purposes of scripture. In a way you are correct that historical and cultural perspective is vital to interpretation. However, Catholic tradition should NEVER trump the Bible. The Bible is God’s authority.

Maybe you can explain to me why the early Catholic church teaches that Mary was without sin? It’s nowhere in the Bible but HEY, the Catholic church says so! What else can they get away with telling you? Who holds these men accountable?


64 posted on 04/18/2012 10:06:01 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Campion

From the Catholic Catechism:

“1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation”

works works works


65 posted on 04/18/2012 10:14:10 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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