Posted on 05/02/2012 11:03:12 AM PDT by Salvation
The C. S. Lewis factor, though, is important!
Saint of the Day Ping!
Saint of the Day Ping!
The Athanasian Creed is a masterpiece but highly politically incorrect. It is one way to make enemies.
It’s best modern English translation IMO is found in the Daily Roman Missal, page 2356. Try reading it as a last act after brushing your teeth and before turning off the lights at night.
It looks like the good Saint had to confront his own "men without chests".
St. Athanasius: On the Incarnation, with an Introduction by C. S. Lewis
Good book.
-—. NOWHERE in the New Testament is there a Trinitarian test.——
Where did you get the idea that every religious truth must be explicitly stated in the Bible? At the very least, this idea should appear in the Bible.
Your rejection of the Trinity is the logical consequence of Luther’s doctrine of “the Bible ALONE.”
“Your rejection of the Trinity is the logical consequence of Luthers doctrine of the Bible ALONE.”
And I AGREE with Luther on that.
-—And I AGREE with Luther on that.——
The problem is that Luther’s doctrine isn’t in the Bible.
Unless he’s infallible, there’s no logical reason to accept his doctrine as the sole rule of faith.
4 This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. 6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, Do not go beyond what is written. Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.
The drift of all he advanced was this: to deny that in any true sense God could have a Son; as Mohammed tersely said afterwards, "God neither begets, nor is He begotten" (Koran, 112). We have learned to call that denial Unitarianism. It was the ultimate scope of Arian opposition to what Christians had always believed. But the Arian, though he did not come straight down from the Gnostic, pursued a line of argument and taught a view which the speculations of the Gnostic had made familiar. He described the Son as a second, or inferior God, standing midway between the First Cause and creatures; as Himself made out of nothing, yet as making all things else; as existing before the worlds of the ages; and as arrayed in all divine perfections except the one which was their stay and foundation. God alone was without beginning, unoriginate; the Son was originated, and once had not existed. For all that has origin must begin to be.
As his reference to Mohammed implies, Arius view of the relationship between Father and Son was very like that of Mohammed. Which is one reason why Islam made such quick headway among the lands of north Africa and Spain overrun by the Muslims after 632.
Written where?
Written where?
Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, Do not go beyond what is written. Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.
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But these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollo, for your sakes; that in us you may learn, that one be not puffed up against the other for another, above that which is written.
Hi,
I wanted to see if there was difference in the verses from
the English translation of the first Bible, the Latin
Vulgate.
Seems like there is a rewording. Not good.
And an important, Paul was talking about the Old, there
was no Gospel yet. It doesn’t prove but cancels “Bible Alone.”
God’s revelation is given to the world via the oral Word, Tradition, the written Word, the Magisterial teachings of Church these last 2000 years and Prophecy.
If our brothers and sisters would look at Tradition, the oral Word which they say they reject, there is much they do believe.
-—who else should I trust besides the Bible?-—
You can trust the Bible.
BUT, the question is, How do we KNOW that we can trust the Bible?
Here’s how.
Begin with the Bible simply as a historical document, the best-attested ancient historical document.
Within the document, the life and teachings of Jesus are recorded (just as Aristotle’s teachings are recorded in various documents from an even earlier era.)
From this document, we learn that Jesus claimed to be God, that He founded a single, visible church, (”take it to THE church. If he will not listen to THE church, treat him as a pagan...”), and that it would last forever (the gates of hell will not prevail against it).
Has a church been in continuous existence since apostolic times? Does it possess a non-contradictory body of teaching (to settle disputes as Jesus commanded)? To answer that question, one must examine history.
That authoritative Church is the Catholic Church, or the Church of Christ (It’s formal name).
Jesus’ astounding prediction regarding an incomparable, indestructible, authoritative, earthly organization is true.
Therefore, one can reasonably conclude that Jesus is Who He claimed to be: God.
Therefore, the Catholic Church is the Church of God.
God’s Church proposes books that are to be treated as divinely inspired.
Therefore, we can know with reasonable certainty that the Catholic Bible is the inspired word of God.
Importantly, we also know that the Church is the ultimate authority regarding Christ’s teachings, and the interpretation of Scripture.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/proving-inspiration
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