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This is the transcript of the RealCatholicTV Vortex by the same name. Something worth thinking about is just how many non-Catholic Christians will be any different especially since for the majority of them contraception isn't even an issue. It'll be interesting to see who fights and who stands by as the First Amendement is trampled, that's for sure.
1 posted on 05/03/2012 11:07:44 AM PDT by Rashputin
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To: Rashputin

Obozo Catholics = Apostates and Heretics


2 posted on 05/03/2012 11:22:35 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Rashputin

Sadly, he’s right. Most Catholics sitting in the pews on Sunday mornings don’t care about the Religious Liberty issue, even though they made the effort to get to Mass. They just don’t care what the Bishops say.


3 posted on 05/03/2012 11:23:36 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Rashputin

I’m going to post something here that I originally wrote to encourage people to vote for Newt in the primary - concentrating on why this issue matters.

It’s still a reason to vote against Obama, because Obama is just as bad as Romney on this issue, with the added twist that Obamacare exempts Muslims so it clearly serves the sharia goal of a dhimmi tax being required of non-Muslims but not Muslims. If Obama can get that at the federal level, the Islamists don’t even have to go the local-precedent route to get to sharia in the entire US.

But more than anything at this point, if Romney is the R candidate, this is a reason to vote for Senate and House people who will recognize the grave danger we are in. Both the D and R establishments are tearing this country limb from limb, on the very things that make us America. If we get rid of the freedom of religion we’ve lost everything - especially considering that the one-world-government type people (who apparently own both the D and R parties) have all their eggs in the Islamist basket.

Serious, serious times. The people who poo-pooh the significance of this issue better buy their burkas and prayer rugs right now, because that’s where they’re gonna end up if they fail to recognize what’s at stake here.

For those people, I recommend they read “The Kite Runner” and consider it the appetizer before the full meal unless they personally do something to stop the takeover of America that is in progress.

Here’s what I wrote:

At http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI Ray Comfort asks people on the street: You’re in Germany in 1935, in front of a deep trench filled with bodies – most dead but some alive. Armed soldiers tell you to operate a bulldozer to bury the bodies; if you refuse you will be shot and the person next to you will do it instead. What would you do?

The whole video is an excellent watch, as each person sorts through the options and reasoning behind them. This is not an imaginary scenario. I have read eyewitness accounts of those who evaded capture who listened to the cries coming from under the soil and watched the ground writhe with the escape efforts of their loved ones, buried alive by their own countrymen. I’ve read of people who were required to provide background music for the killings, or to beat their fellow emaciated prisoners.

It wasn’t because the overlords couldn’t do it themselves; it was so nobody innocent could ever stand up and accuse them. It was so everyone would share the guilt, and those who were coerced into the thing they hate would be so disgusted and demoralized as to feel subhuman. It’s the same demoralization as is currently used in the rape rooms in Iran, where boys are first repeatedly sodomized and then forced to sodomize each other, or in Iraq where Saddam Hussein lined up and executed all the men in a village while their families watched – and then charged the wives for the bullet with which their husband was murdered. Such a small fee it was – to kill that woman’s soul.

Coercion is the essence of rape. It is one person overpowering another to get them to do what is repulsive to them. It’s unthinkable that our government would do this to us.

It’s happening in Massachusetts. Catholic hospitals are required to inform women of their right to use the abortifacient “morning after pill” and to provide it to those who want it (regardless of whether rape is claimed) – even though Catholic doctrine says that abortion is murder. This is government-coerced abortion.

What you or I believe about abortion is not at issue here. The soldiers in the scenario above believed the bodies in the trench were garbage, and German law at the time allowed the government to kill Jews. That is another issue, which the video addresses. The point here is that every Catholic who puts money in the collection plate is being forced by the government to participate in an act which their own religious doctrine says is murder.

There are plenty of secular hospitals and pharmacies which would voluntarily operate the bulldozer. This is not about access to abortions; it’s about demoralization - defiling consciences which oppose abortion.

A 1975 MA law ensures that no law can force a person to participate in abortion against their own religious beliefs. In the 30 years leading up to the passage of Romneycare all abortion laws were known to thus not apply to Catholic hospitals. But Mitt Romney said that his counsel told him the Romneycare abortion law was different. Without expressly saying so (and in spite of 30 years where “not saying so” meant the conscience law was still in effect), this law nullified the 1975 conscience law. Romney applauded that nullification as a “sounder view”, saying it is the “right thing” for Catholic hospitals to violate their own religion and conscience:

“On that basis, I have instructed the Department of Public Health to follow the conclusion of my own legal counsel and to adopt that sounder view,” Romney said. “In my personal view, it’s the right thing for hospitals to provide information and access to emergency contraception to anyone who is a victim of rape.”

That was in 2005. Since then, Romney has needed the support of the pro-life community to become the Republican candidate for President so he has made lots of promises that sound good, and on the basis of those promises many “pro-life” groups have declared him to be pro-life.

Romney defends Romneycare’s coerced abortions by pointing out that states are not bound by the US Constitution. First Amendment guarantees of religious liberty don’t apply to states. States are free to establish religion and violate religious liberty, as Romney has done in MA.

The chief way that Islamists plan to establish sharia in free countries is by establishing precedents at the more local levels and then using that precedent to force the whole country into sharia – Islam forced onto everyone. Romney’s claims would also allow states to establish sharia.

That’s like saying as long as it’s soldiers and not police ordering innocents to run the bulldozers it’s perfectly fine.

It’s not “fine”. It’s tyranny like Ahmadinejad or Saddam Hussein would do.

We must not reward this tyranny. Vote Newt Gingrich in Nebraska’s Republican primary on May 15.


4 posted on 05/03/2012 11:26:26 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Rashputin

This group is no different than any other. Big Ears could close down half of the churches & 50% will still vote for this prick. These pols know this. Just look at the way The Hildabeast used to talk down her supporters & the more she did so the more than liked her.


5 posted on 05/03/2012 11:26:49 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: Rashputin

Obama seems to be punishment..... severe punishment...

first to Americans generally and
to Catholics(of various kinds) in particular..

for the crime(s) of murdering their(and other peoples) babies..
with glee, unapologetic, and with craven hubris..


7 posted on 05/03/2012 11:32:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Rashputin

I am a Roman Catholic who attend Mass every Sunday. Here is what I hear from fellow Catholics who vote Democrat:

1) Without the federal government, too many people would not be able to feed themselves.

2) Social justice is part of the Catholic teachings.

3) The democrats are the only party that protects the little guy.Christ would vote Democrat.

4) The GOP will cut Social Security and Medicare.

5) The GOP is the party of war.

6) We must work together to assist a fellow man. The GOP is the party of selfishness.

7) The democrats care about the environment. The GOP cares about oil. We must take care of God’s earth.

8) Only the democrats will continue funding education.

9) GOP is a party of racists.

10) Too many protestants in the GOP.

These folks NEVER mention abortion probably because to are pro choice.

Almost EVERY Catholic Democrat I meet is a government worker or retired on SS.

These folks probably never listen to the Gospel regarding being judged as an INDIVIDUAL rather then a collective.

Yes, I have confronted many and NO I will not leave my Church.

I will battle peacefully even if I’m the last conservative Catholic left.


10 posted on 05/03/2012 11:37:57 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Rashputin
Let's fix that title:

Obama Catholics CINOs

21 posted on 05/03/2012 3:24:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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