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To: BereanBrain
For example, I think your comment about us (believers) being blessed while the rest of the world is cursed is mistaken. We are living in the age of Grace - that is, God has suspended his judgement for a little while.

I would really like some references on that as well. If you want my references (from the New Testament) I would suggest some of the following:

Few people understand that God's wrath is our just payment-what we ask for. We keep mocking God and pushing Him while He constantly provides us His love and care. It's not much different than the children of Israel in the desert who though God fed, cloth and protected them, they constant reviled Him. That is our nature and God's nature. God's wrath only comes when we have finally gone too far.

Those who feel Israel is simply the apple of God's eye should take a hard and fast look at Moses' warning in Deut 31. And should we feel smug, this is our very corruptible nature as well. The warning can apply to us just as well. No, the Old Testament is not dead but is alive and well, with lots of insight and instructions for our lives.

I know of nothing in scripture, or in the Westminster Confessions, that would even hint that God's wrath has subsided.

29 posted on 05/15/2012 5:41:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

I think you are right, I think the confusion between your position and mine is that I think the wrath of god INCLUDES his judgement.

Right now for example, wicked people experience the wrath of God in that he gives them what the want (to be left to their own devices, which does not turn out good). However, the wrath of God (judgement-wise) as spoken if Revelation will be revealed as a whole, and at the final judgement of course the account(s) will be settled.

Romans 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.


30 posted on 05/17/2012 7:12:26 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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