Posted on 05/11/2012 4:10:01 PM PDT by Salvation
Catholic Ping!
Except for the part where the self-automatically excommunicated receive our Lord on any given Sunday, in any given daily mass, by the Bishop himself, and who receive every other benefit availed to the devout. Scandal rocks, is indulged and rewarded, and all the world has seen it, for so long now they wonder what the occasional ruckus is about.
“Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral, commits the sin of heresy and incurs an automatic sentence of excommunication. “
So, Pelosi is excommunicated but still claims to be Catholic?
How can she do that and NOT be called on it by the Church?
If the politician is automatically excommunicated, what is the punishment for a Priest or Bishop to give this person Communion, or what is the punishment for a Cardinal who performs a funeral service for a dead Senator who was automatically excommunicated.
Then they are receiving the Eucharist unworthily, only adding to their sin.
One thing that no one knows in this scenario is whether the person went to Confession and repented and promised to not sin again.
God is merciful while we are alive, but at the moment of our death, God is pure justice.
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I know and I trust in God’s mercy and justice, but to repeatedly and publicly and actively undermine the Church at every turn brings to mind either no confession at all, or a false one.
It is my understanding that in the case of repeated, willful and public scandal calls for private confession, but a public conversion. Is that your understanding?
One would think the penance would require it, given the nature of the stripe laid upon the Church remains brutal, brazen, and of national and international consequence. Continuing defiance seldom suggests a good confession.
This article didn’t dwell on speculations about the end of the world but on Canon Law pronouncements.
Wake me when any of those Canon Laws mean anything in the real world.
So what happens to a woman who has an abortion, is automatically excommed, and then sincerely confesses her sin in the confessional and is given absolution? Is she back in the club, able to receive all the sacraments,and probably most important, what happens to her on the last judgement day?
God knows, I don’t.
Good article. Hope Donald Cardinal Wuerl sees it.
Just as a law that isn't enforced brings contempt to the law.
Oh, you are quite wrong!
This "automatic excommunication" gives wiggle room to all the bishops who can continue to pal around with their powerful pro-abortion Catholic friends, and it even allows the Bishop of Rome to remain silent in the face of prolonged, public and manifest heresy in the case of Biden, Pelosi, and others.
When my grandfather was excommunicated, it was done in public, in front of his widowed mother (he married a Lutheran).
If it was good enough for Grandpa, it's good enough for Pelosi (who just proclaimed that the Catholic faith REQUIRES support for homosexuals pretending to be married).
The attempt by Obama to begin the organization of an American Patriotic Catholic Church, with the willing cooperation of Pelosi, Biden, Georgetown, Notre Dame, and others is not just heresy on the part of his Catholic allies but is a major schism in the making which, even if it fails, will cause enormous damage.
Do you seriously contend that pretending that all of these rebels are "automatically excommunicated", while they continue to receive the Eucharist in public from the hands of bishops in communion with Peter, will suffice?
Good question. . .I wish the leadership of the Church would make public answers to your question and mine.
Words can be tricky.
“Any Catholic who obstinately denies...”
The problem comes with the word “obstinate.” It has a meaning in ordinary language, but its meaning in terms of canon law, from what I've been told, is a little more narrow.
From what I've read of a few various canon lawyers, “obstinately” denying the faith means, in part, that one has been formally corrected, directly and personally, about a matter, by a competent spiritual/ecclesial superior (your priest, your bishop, a tribunal of the Church directed by competent ecclesial authority to make such a judgment) and that the particular superior so instructing you determines that you're holding your heretical view obstinately.
Thus, a theologian who is formally investigated by the Church, and told formally to desist from certain opinions, who does not then do so, is said to be obstinately denying the faith or holding to heresy.
I'm not saying I agree with interpreting things that way, I'm just saying, this is what I've read from some canon lawyers and at least one priest/theologian.
This fellow Mr. Conte may draw what conclusions he likes, but they are not the only way to look at the issues at hand, nor, perhaps, the most commonly-accepted way, at least by those in the Church with authority or with opinions informed by actual knowledge obtained through scholarly study.
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The punishment is on the excommunicant. By receiving the body and blood while in a state of mortal sin, they have committed a sacrilege.
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